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You are reading page 8 of You Lie!. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

Believe it or not, I am an Independent. Although, I may seem to have liberal views, I also have very conservative views as well. I am not a Republican because I feel that this party left their true conservative platform for the sake of neo-conservativism (fringe) and sensationalism. I am not a Democrat because I do not believe in some of their own platform at times either. I do detest the fear mongering, the brain washing, and bigotry...regardless of either party who commits the offense. Unfortunately, the Republican party tends to take the lead in this. Again, when it occurs, it simply leads the party and the people away from genuine discourse and debate. Ignorance and shouting matches are not bliss...nor provides any road to productive resolution.

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As you can tell, I do not hold rigidly to Republican=Conservative, nor Democrat=Liberal. I actually see 4 different movements here. Combine these 4 with the others out there (Independent, Libertarian, Neo-Conservative being just 3...there are more), we have several actually. The Republican and Democrat have more voice and presence only because the monies pumped into them and pumped out of them. Money talks in this country....it is often the politicial grease of our political language. That is why corporations lobby and is why most people in Government tend to be wealthy coming into it and leave wealthier coming out of it. However, being ever so mindful, we are a nation of people...a nation of Americans, great and small. In the long and short of it, a nation is often remembered and judged by NOT how often it can flex its political/military arm, but by how it takes care of its own...the common citizen.

My take on the Republican party as it stands and why it seems to be having an identity crisis is because it has pivoted itself between two movements...Conservative and Neo-Conservative...one being the original platform, the other being a once fringe movement which since had gained momentum and presence under Bush et al. As a result, a schism has occurred. So, in a way, the Republican party is fighting a war on two fronts...internal and external. And with any schism, there is chaos...and those who wish to exploit it. And since there is no firm leadership in this party any more, the schism continues.

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It doesn't matter if you're racist or not. That's not the point. The point is to put you on defense and have to actually say, "I am not racist".

"Racist" is just more name-calling. It will never end as long as there is even one far-left liberal alive.

I think it might just backfire on those who are saying people who disagree with Obama simply must be racist.

As to Joe Wilson . . I agree that it was a waste of time for the House of Reps to admonish Joe. He apologized. It should be over.

steph

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It is the rules.

It is not acceptable to speak unless you have the floor.

Clapping and booing are common ways of showing opinion without words whe agreeing or disagreeing with a speaker.

Slippery slope thing too. Nip it in the bud.

Would throwing spit wads or crumpled paper be OK?

How about tomatos and eggs?

Kids learn that what is OK on the playground may not go on in the classroom. The Congress of the United States has rules too.

This has happened MANY times.

One that comes to mind recently made the paper:

...On June 26, 1985, Rep. Robert Walker - a Pennsylvania Republican who beat the drum for decorum throughout his 20 years in the House - took issue with Rep. James Traficant for saying that then-President Ronald Reagan had deceived the senior citizens of the United States.

"Is it not a violation of the rules of the House to question the motives of the president and to refer to him as being someone who lies?" Walker asked on the floor.

"The gentleman is correct," agreed then-Speaker Tip O'Neill . "It is not proper."

O'Neill ordered that Traficant's offending remarks be stricken from the record and directed the congressman - subsequently convicted on federal corruption charges - to "revise his remarks."...

 

 

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27184.html

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According to former Pres. Carter, Wilson's "you lie" is racist. Since when does not agreeing with the President mean one is racist? I see the Dems throwing around race just like some of the conservatives. I couldnt give a flying flip about what color Obama's skin is, I hate his policies so far, not him. Does that make me racist?

I guess I interpreted Carter's remarks differently, that Wilson's outburst "you lie" was not racist toward the President but showing racism against illegal aliens, most of whom are, well, not Caucasian.

I think Wilson would have yelled at any Democratic president regardless of his/her race and ethnicity (or gender...)

I don't think it's at all racist to disagree with President Obama's politics and policies; similarly, it is not sexist to disagree with either Sarah Palin or Hillary Clinton---but the spin doctors on both sides have certainly added a circle to the circus by screaming "Racist" when someone from another party disagrees with Obama or, say Michael Steele or by screaming "Sexist" when someone from another party disagrees with Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin.

I think Miss Manners should run for President. I am tired of the continuous temper tantrums in the national media, among groups of very frightened people, and especially our elected leaders, who should know better.

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Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that racial politics played a role in South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst during President Obama's speech to Congress last week and in some of the opposition the president has faced since taking office.

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Former President Carter tells "NBC Nightly News" that racism has surfaced in opposition to President Obama.

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American," Carter told "NBC Nightly News." "I live in the South, and I've seen the South come a long way, and I've seen the rest of the country that shares the South's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African-Americans."

"That racism inclination still exists, and I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of belief among many white people -- not just in the South but around the country -- that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply," Carter said.

Carter made similar remarks at an event at his presidential center in Atlanta, Georgia, The Associated Press reported Tuesday, pointing to some protesters who have compared Obama to a Nazi. "Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national program on health care," the former president said at the Carter Center, according to AP. "It's deeper than that."

He grouped Wilson's shout of "You lie!" during Obama's speech in that category, according to AP. "I think it's based on racism. There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president," he said.

"The president is not only the head of government, he is the head of state. And no matter who he is or how much we disagree with his policies, the president should be treated with respect."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/15/carter.obama/index.html

I totally agree with the last paragraph.

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I think Miss Manners should run for President.

I read "Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior" way back in the mid 1980's. I liked her. Is she still around?

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Would throwing spit wads or crumpled paper be OK?

How about tomatos and eggs?

None of those things would be acceptable. But a loud burp would be...and funny!

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I read "Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior" way back in the mid 1980's. I liked her. Is she still around?

"way back in the mid 1980's" :confused::confused::confused: Way back???

Why, that was just a few years ago . . . I had my first child in 1983 and . . .well . .. hmmm . . he IS 26 now. :eek:

Wow. :imbar

steph

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We can send a respectful email or fax to Pres. Carter explaining why we think his comments are wrong. I don't agree with most of President Obama's policies and I am not racist.

carterweb@emory.edu (Attn: President Carter) or FAX TO: 404-331-0283

steph

Since the subject of Carter came up again . . . here is the info to contact him.

steph

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Imagine what President Carter experienced growing up in Georgia. He was born in 1924.

I believe he was speaking from the heart.

His sadness brought me to tears.

And we ARE getting better all the time.

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If you don't live in this part of the country, it is hard to appreciate the mindset of some of the folks down here. Not everybody, and really, not even most people.

But some people, a good number of people, still find it perfectly acceptable to use the n-word in polite conversation, to fly Dixie flags outside their homes, applaud the philosophy of groups such as the Aryan Nation, and so on. Some people are still not ok with the end of slavery, and don't fully appreciate that the Civil War is over and the South lost! These are the people who don't like it that 'that boy' is now the sitting President.

And those are the people President Carter is talking about. I feel his pain. If he's not referring to you, don't sweat it. Just be a good example of what to be, and let the others be a good example of what not to be.

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