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43 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

Bad news for anti-Trumpers.  I’m assuming many if these consumers are the middle-class.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-consumer-confidence-improves-in-april

 

This indicates to me, how desperate Trumpsters are for any good news.

Their candidate remains deeply unpopular, and despite best efforts at spin, Biden has managed to put him in a corner, over racist remarks.

That issue will not go away.

Most people realize that economic news in April 2019, has no impact on an election in November 2020.

Desparate times for Trumpsters.

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42 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

Bad news for anti-Trumpers.  I’m assuming many if these consumers are the middle-class.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-consumer-confidence-improves-in-april

 

Why is this bad news? This economic expansion is a long term phenomenon.

This article gives a bit more detail. 

The Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index Increased in April

This is all of the detail.

Consumer Confidence Survey®

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7 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Bad news for anti-Trumpers.  I’m assuming many if these consumers are the middle-class.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-consumer-confidence-improves-in-april

 

I wonder how a boost in consumer confidence happened when there is nothing but fake news.  You think the Fake News would make up numbers just to make Trump look bad.  *sarcasm*

I'll take the bait, though I know you're being sarcastic because we all know that anti-Trump people enjoy a good economy and wants what's best.

  I believe I posted another article somewhere quite recently that the good economy is probably the one thing Trump has going for him that the Democrats struggle with.  They can't lie, like he did a couple of years  and say what horrible shape the country is in economically.   

I didn't read your article word for word, but does it state that while it's up this month, it's still down form last year?   While it's been on the rise, I will say that this administration does have decent consumer confidence which has been steadily rising since the great recession.

Here's a good chart.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-confidence-snaps-back-in-april-and-points-to-steadily-growing-economy-2019-04-30

 

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15 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'll take the bait, though I know you're being sarcastic because we all know that anti-Trump people enjoy a good economy and wants what's best.

I don’t know that.  There are definitely politicians who wouldn’t mind a small dip, or even a bigger one in order to get rid of Trump.  I wouldn’t put it past the Dems to do what they can to sabatoge the economy come election season.

You don’t think there are anti-Trumpers who would trade in a recession for a new president rather then have Trump get re-elected?  I do.  I think there are a minority few here who would.

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3 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

I don’t know that.  There are definitely politicians who wouldn’t mind a small dip, or even a bigger one in order to get rid of Trump.  I wouldn’t put it past the Dems to do what they can to sabatoge the economy come election season.

You don’t think there are anti-Trumpers who would trade in a recession for a new president rather then have Trump get re-elected?  I do.  I think there are a minority few here who would.

 

There are so many reasons to want to get rid of Trump, and the economy isn't even on the list.

 

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9 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

I don’t know that.  There are definitely politicians who wouldn’t mind a small dip, or even a bigger one in order to get rid of Trump.  I wouldn’t put it past the Dems to do what they can to sabatoge the economy come election season.

You don’t think there are anti-Trumpers who would trade in a recession for a new president rather then have Trump get re-elected?  I do.  I think there are a minority few here who would.

 

I don't know one single Democrat that wants a bad economy, we all have jobs, bills, and are struggling middle class people that need a break or business owners that need customers.  I have many of them on my social media and not one has indicated they would trade a recession to get rid of Trump.  Most of us believe in the American way and will try to get rid of him the old fashioned way, at the voting booth.

But good to plant that conspiracy theory that if the economy does take a dip, rather than blame Trump people can put forth the theory it's only a tactic to get rid of Trump as hatred for the man runs deep.

 

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

don't know one single Democrat that wants a bad economy, we all have jobs, bills, and are struggling middle class people that need a break or business owners that need customers.  I have many of them on my social media and not one has indicated they would trade a recession to get rid of Trump.

There are the wealthy elite types, (Hollywood for example) and even middle class who don’t understand how a recession would effect them even in “recession-proof” jobs (nurses as one example) who would take a recession over a Trump re-election.

 

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Most of us believe in the American way and will try to get rid of him the old fashioned way, at the voting booth.

That’s already been well-proven to not be true.

 

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

But good to plant that conspiracy theory that if the economy does take a dip, rather than blame Trump people can put forth the theory it's only a tactic to get rid of Trump as hatred for the man runs deep.

Perhaps you have forgotten when this conspiracy was floated about when Obama was in charge and it was said that congressional Republicans were trying to sabatoge the economy?  And frankly, I wouldn’t put it past them either.

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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

There are the wealthy elite types, (Hollywood for example) and even middle class who don’t understand how a recession would effect them even in “recession-proof” jobs (nurses as one example) who would take a recession over a Trump re-election.

 

That’s already been well-proven to not be true.

 

Perhaps you have forgotten when this conspiracy was floated about when Obama was in charge and it was said that congressional Republicans were trying to sabatoge the economy?  And frankly, I wouldn’t put it past them either.

Agree with TWEETY.

Nobody I know wants a recession.

And that is because most people can figure out quite easily who gets hurt in a recession; you, your kids, your neighbors, your family, your town and your state.

I can't speak for "Hollywood," as I don't know anybody who lives there

Agree with TWEETY that the other side will always find some way, example used conspiracy, to shield the very flawed Trump from realizing the truth: The majority of Americans don't like him.

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3 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

There are the wealthy elite types, (Hollywood for example) and even middle class who don’t understand how a recession would effect them even in “recession-proof” jobs (nurses as one example) who would take a recession over a Trump re-election.

 

That’s already been well-proven to not be true.

 

Perhaps you have forgotten when this conspiracy was floated about when Obama was in charge and it was said that congressional Republicans were trying to sabatoge the economy?  And frankly, I wouldn’t put it past them either.

There is no proof that liberals have attempted to affect elections with illegal activity, only partisan right wing garbage. Why lie and further damage your own credibility?

There was actual evidence of Republicans willing to crash governance and function to make Obama look bad. Remember them shutting down the government if Obama didn't end the ACA?  How embarrassing for you that you thought it was all conspiracy theory. 

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

Agree with TWEETY.

Nobody I know wants a recession.

And that is because most people can figure out quite easily who gets hurt in a recession; you, your kids, your neighbors, your family, your town and your state.

I can't speak for "Hollywood," as I don't know anybody who lives there

Agree with TWEETY that the other side will always find some way, example used conspiracy, to shield the very flawed Trump from realizing the truth: The majority of Americans don't like him.

If the election were held today, and you would vote for Sanders over Trump, you are at least willing to greatly risk the health of the economy.

So, not a stretch to say many would take zero economic growth and higher unemployment if it meant Trump would be defeated.

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22 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

This isn't bad news for anti-Trumpers.

How so?

Our opposition to Trump, and all that he stands for, isn't based solely on the economy.

That would make us one issue voters, and nothing could be further from the truth.

Actually, there are many, many reasons to oppose Trump.

The economy isn't on the top of the list.

Why would anyone think it is?

 

That made me remember  a comment Chuck Schumer made after the 2016 election so I went looking . . . 

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Incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer speaks with 'Fox News Sunday' host Chris Wallace about why Democrats lost in 2016. 

"When we lost the way we lost," he said. "You've got to stare the election in that face. And there are a lot of reasons, and we'll still examine it for a while. But our economic message was not sharp enough, not bold enough, not strong enough. And people, even though I believe for all those blue collar voters who voted for Trump, even if they voted for Obama, they thought he was the change agent. Even though our actual policies are much closer to what they believe than the Republican policies."

"We are going to have a bold, strong message that will appeal to both groups. You don't need to say: 'Who do Democrats appeal to? The Obama coalition or the blue-collar people.' A bold strong economic message will appeal to both, to the factory worker in Scranton, to the college student in Lost Angeles, to the single mom in Harlem."  (Bolding added by me).

 

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16 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

I don’t know that.  There are definitely politicians who wouldn’t mind a small dip, or even a bigger one in order to get rid of Trump.  I wouldn’t put it past the Dems to do what they can to sabatoge the economy come election season.

You don’t think there are anti-Trumpers who would trade in a recession for a new president rather then have Trump get re-elected?  I do.  I think there are a minority few here who would.

 

This also reminded me of comments wishing for a bad economy . . . I googled and found it was Bill Maher's comment.  This article mentions that and also a comment by Nancy Pelosi (argh, I'm a native Californian and know her well).  

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Bill Maher's Wish

The third option is to admit openly what many Democrats no doubt feel privately: That a good recession is what the party needs to reclaim its former glory. After all, it did get Obama elected president.

Over the weekend, HBO talk show host Bill Maher spoke the words out load.

"I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point," he said, talking about the booming economy. "And by the way, I'm hoping for it because one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy.

"Sorry if that hurts people, but it's either root for a recession or you lose your democracy."

Let's leave aside the glaring logical fallacy Maher commits with his false dilemma, and ponder what he is saying.

Maher would, if he could, throw millions of people into unemployment and poverty, watch as hard-earned savings vanish, wages stagnate and hope gets crushed, if that might keep Trump from winning re-election.

Wow.

Of course, it's easy for Maher to wish that, since he's already made his millions attacking Republicans. But just how many of his fellow Trump-loathing Democrats secretly feel the same way?

Reporters love to force Republican politicians to answer for anything outrageous that a conservative says. Shouldn't these same reporters, to prove their lack of political bias, press every single Democrat running for office in November to condemn Maher's economic death wish?

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/economy-bill-maher-recession-trump/

 

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