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Should a victim of sexual assault be told to come foward earlier?

  1. 1. Should a victim of sexual assault be told to come foward earlier?

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Nominee Kavanaugh's friend since high school is not scheduled to testify tomorrow.

No Wonder the GOP Doesn't Want Mark Judge to Testify

Recovering alcoholics run "an honest program". If he has any integrity as a recovering person he would admit his past and face the consequences. It's the cornerstone of sobriety. Making amends, facing consequences and moving on. If he knows something, no matter what the consequences, be it make himself look bad, or ruin Kavannaugh's chances he should say it or risk his own serenity and mental health. Hopefully his time at the beach gives him time to reflect on being a man of integrity. I totally respect that we all do things we're ashamed of, and that people change, but when the past comes to haunt us, we face it, admit it, make amends and go on. I'm very disappointed in him.

Or he could be telling the truth and not remember the incident or any like that. He should then be willing to face the truth. The truth comes out the same every time.

Hopefully the nominee will crash and burn and withdraw himself. Then again, Trump will, probably out of spite, find someone else equally as offensive to liberals as he can.

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It is absurd, of course, that Democrats have manufactured the Kavanaugh crisis.

If he implodes, we all understand that Trump will get another candidate vetted by the Federalist Society, just as Brett Kavanaugh came from the group.

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I can only get snippets of the testimony at work, but I'm tearful.

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I can only get snippets of the testimony at work, but I'm tearful.

Same here. It's tough to hear and watch.

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I have been sleeping, as I worked last night.

Just woke up, and will be relying on reports from NPR, NY Times and Washington Post.

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Reading comments made by ranking Republicans to Ms. Ford's testimony is disheartening.

They are still ready to confirm Kavanaugh, no problem!

But they can only afford to lose two votes in the Senate.

And the nation is watching.

I do feel badly for Kavanaugh's daughters. This can't be easy for them, and we know how cruel the world is.

Republicans are going to wish they engaged an FBI investigation, there isn't going to be a happy ending for them, even if Kavanaugh is confirmed.

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Reading comments made by ranking Republicans to Ms. Ford's testimony is disheartening.

They are still ready to confirm Kavanaugh, no problem!

But they can only afford to lose two votes in the Senate.

And the nation is watching.

I do feel badly for Kavanaugh's daughters. This can't be easy for them, and we know how cruel the world is.

Republicans are going to wish they engaged an FBI investigation, there isn't going to be a happy ending for them, even if Kavanaugh is confirmed.

I'm afraid ypu are correct.

And we don't know for certain what happened.

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I agree wholeheartedly that no person/victim be given a particular time frame for reporting an assault, but to do otherwise gives the violator free rein to reoffend, and allows an invisible power over the victim.

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In a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting, Senator Jeff Flake (R-AZ) asked that the floor vote be delayed up to a week so the FBI can investigate allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

Sep.28.2018

Sen. Flake calls for FBI investigation, delay of final Kavanaugh vote

Oh my, and I had heard this morning that he was going to vote to confirm. I wonder if it had anything to do with the woman who confronted him in the elevator.

Tearful woman confronts Sen. Flake on elevator - CNN Video

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In a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting, Senator Jeff Flake (R-AZ) asked that the floor vote be delayed up to a week so the FBI can investigate allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

Sep.28.2018

Sen. Flake calls for FBI investigation, delay of final Kavanaugh vote

It is a shame that Jeff Flake, who is not seeking re-election, chose to weld his power in such a way that all but insures that Kavanaugh will be seated on the US Supreme Court.

He could have voted with Democrats, on the Judiciary Committee, and then called for delay for FBI investigation.

Instead, he chose the cowardly way out.

Personally, I hope he and other GOP members of the committee, find no peace, wherever they travel.

Let them be confronted in church, restaurants, airports, etc.

They shirked their duty as elected officials, and should be reminded of that failure.

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Well, look who came out of the woodwork, LOL

Oh Daisy, here I thought that it's mostly unpleasant things that come crawling out of the woodwork.. But I'm not a native English speaker so it's possible that I've got my idioms all wrong :whistling:

Yes, I said 'the way I understand it', it is hard to keep up with this story. I also said I am in favor of an investigation. It was also my understanding that the friend (Judge) would be present (although I could be wrong).

I don't think that the Republican majority have even once expressed a desire to be able to question Mr. Judge at any single time during this entire process. They seem quite content to repeatedly refer to the short letter/statement from Mr. Judge that they've received. I don't think they want to hear another peep from Mr. Judge. I don't think they feel that would help their case. At all.

That is unfortunate but hardly surprising. They are in my opinion not interested in finding out all there is to know about this alleged incident. If they were, there are many more steps they could have taken but they've chosen not to.

If Dr. Ford's statement is truthful and accurate, then it would seem that Mr. Judge himself could be involved at least to some degree, possibly only as a passive witness and bystander, in the alleged assault. That would seem to indicate that he has a personal motivation for not being associated with the whole mess and it could be the reason why he's reluctant to volunteer further testimony and make himself himself available to follow-up questions. If the allegation is true it's possible that his part in it doesn't involve any criminal acts, but if he was in the room, his testimony is vital if one genuinely wants to find out what happened or didn't happen that night.

...... well if this is true then why do an FBI investigation, cant the Senators get to the truth themselves

Well, I guess they could at least try to if they really wanted to. The will to attempt to do so, seems to be lacking though. But it isn't one or the other. It would be quite possible for the Judiciary Committee to conduct hearings in conjunction with the FBI reopening the background investigation since new allegations have been made after they concluded it.

The FBI have trained investigators and they could supply the Senators with more information, so that they in turn can make a more informed decision. That is if they were actually really interested in basing their decisions on facts, instead of on politics.

I agree with much of what you are saying. I agree that neither side should be playing politics with this. I don't know who is lying and who is telling the truth, nobody does, that is why we do need an investigation.

Yes, an impartial investigation is needed.

I'm sickened by some of the things that some of the Republican Senators have said and done and disgusted by their refusal to actually give Dr. Ford's testimony the respect and serious consideration it deserves. They claimed to hear her out but her testimony has through their subsequent decisions been written off as utterly inconsequential. Actions speak louder than words.

I'm also not in the least bit impressed by the way that I feel some of the Democratic Senators have tried to score political points, using an alleged sexual assault victim as a mean to achieve an end.

About the hearing......

I found Dr. Ford's testimony credible. Of course it's possible that I'm wrong. It's just my read on the testimony. There is also a small chance that while what she claims happened is true, that she is mistaken about the identity of her attacker. However, given that Kavanaugh was a person she knew before the alleged incident, I think the risk of a case of mistaken identity is very, very slim. While victims of crime sometimes make an incorrect identification of a perpetrator, that tends to hapen when the assailant is a stranger to the victim of the crime.

Judge Kavanaugh in my opinion sounded very angry and generally highly emotional.

I interpreted that as partly genuine emotion but listening to his voice and watching his facial expressions and his body language, I can't help but feel that there was also an element of deliberate theatrics fused with the genuine emotions.

Any innocent person accused of wrongdoing of a nature that most people find repugnant would be completely excused for feeling and expressing anger. Any innocent person wrongfully accused whose own life and the lives of loved ones has been negatively affected by the accusations, can reasonably be expected to be very emotional and distraught.

But is this the reason for his anger? Is this the true reasons for his tearful testimony?

A guilty person could feel angry too, but for different reasons.

It can be anger because one's reputation is being tarnished and because one can feel an opportunity of a lifetime slipping away. Anger at having not only one's chances of promotion threatened but also having one's current career and position in society being threatened. It can be arrogance. Anger at being shamed in public. It can also be strategy because it's recognized that this is how an innocent person is expected to react. In fairness, an innocent person with a calculating, mercenary bent could use indignation as a strategy as well.

So, anger and umbrage can definitely indicate innocence. It doesn't however rule out guilt. I'd say it's inconclusive.

One question worth at least taking into consideration is if any of the parties have anything to gain by lying.

What could Dr. Ford gain from lying?

What could Judge Kavanaugh gain from lying?

Again, not conclusive evidence one way or the other, but I think it should be pondered before arriving at a conclusion.

There were a few things about his behavior during the hearing that really bothered me.

He refused to give straight yes or no answers regarding whether his high school friend should be called to testify infront of the Committee. He was in my opinion deliberately evasive.

Despite saying in his opening statement that he welcomed any investigation into the matter he was in my opinion suspiciously reluctant to ask for an FBI investigation. He was pressed on this multiple times, but he simply would not say that he wanted investigation. An investigation could actually help clear his name if he's innocent. Why doesn't he seem to want that?

By angrily dragging up the Clinton's he firmly injected conspiracist partisanship into the discussion. Not at all what I'd expect from a Supreme Court nominee.

Another thing that troubled me was his attitude towards some of the Democratic Senators. To me, he came off as angry, belligerent and confrontational. If this is how he's like when he's sober, I don't think I want to know how he's like when he's drunk. I realize that the man has been under enormous pressure but I expect more decorum from a Supreme Court nominee. What I saw was either a lack of self-control or a lack of respect. Neither are good.

The way he spoke to Senator Klobuchar, who in my opinion was very mild and respectful compared to the tone of most that day, was particularly bad. Who the hell does he think he is trying to turn the tables on her, asking whether she'd ever blacked out from alcohol consumption? To me, that came off as supremely arrogant. Well, either he realized his own misstep or one of his Republican supporters told him during a break, because he came back and apologized to her. But I firmly believe that he revealed a side of himself that we weren't meant to see.

I still can't be 100% certain about his innocence or guilt, but his performance yesterday definitely failed to convince me of his innocence. In my opinion he didn't do himself any favors.

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