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Should a victim of sexual assault be told to come foward earlier?

  1. 1. Should a victim of sexual assault be told to come foward earlier?

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Interesting to see Trump supporters at one of his rallies recently say it's a trick of the left to make this up.

The potential Justice has plenty of supporters that presume he's innocent until proven guilty.

On the other hand he's called a rapist and unfit for duty.

The accusers (notice plural) are believed and supported.

On the other hand there are death threats and called liars, and "something the democrats always do".

The guy she says was there is in hiding but doesn't remember the incident. Sadly it's going to be a "he said/she said" situation, which usually favors the accuser.

Yep, it's working both ways all right.

Voter on Kavanaugh: What teen hasn't done this? - CNN Video

Not sure if this link from Facebook will work here:Rebel HQ - Trump Supporters BLAME Kavanaugh Accuser | Facebook

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Quote from herring_RN

Years ago a nearly unconscious patient was brought to the ICU after drinking antifreeze when police arrived while he was robbing a store.

A surgeon inserted a jugular central line. He was not my patient.

Walking by I looked into the room as his nurse was attaching a new IV to the central line in his neck. He was about to bite the nurse.

I yelled, "STOP! DON'T BITE!" The patient looked at me and gave that nurse time to get her hands away. We restrained his wrists.

The supervisor wrote me up stating that I, "Lost my temper and verbally abused a patient in a loud and inappropriate way."

Our nurse manager wanted to talk with me about my inappropriate yelling at a patient. I told her I wanted the nurse who was almost bitten. My manager was annoyed, but agreed.

When she heard the other nurse tell what she remembered about the incident. She said my loud order distracted the semi-conscious patient and prevent her being bite she said the incident would not be in my record.

At the time I had worked there more than 20 years and never written up.

What would the result be if she had refused to postpone the meeting until the other witness could be there?

(I would have called the union)

I know this isn't your point but I cant believe a manager would treat you like that (OK I sadly can believe it!), this is ridiculous.

I agree that we need an investigation, for the accusers/witnesses to be heard and for the facts to come out.

Thank you. I think an investigation is not only the right thing to do, but in my memory has always been done.

I think my manager was fair. The supervisor wrote me up without asking me what happened. She said nothing to anyone, just assumed I simply "lost my temper".

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I think my manager was fair. The supervisor wrote me up without asking me what happened. She said nothing to anyone, just assumed I simply "lost my temper".

Yea, I meant your supervisor.

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It is merely coincidental, but Bill Cosby was sent to prison yesterday for sexual assault.

Remember when he was America's father?

I do. I used to watch the Cosby Show every Thursday night with my dad.

Many people, like Cosby and clergy, hide despicable acts behind a facade of "pillar of society."

If anybody thinks the accusers are part of a left-wing conspiracy, they should welcome, and call for a full investigation.

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The way I understand it there will be further scrutiny when all will be heard at the hearing before the appointment will be made (or not), and with an outside trained (in sexual crimes specifically) moderator so this would clear up the confusion and provide answers.

(my bold)

What scrutiny is that? All will not be heard as far as I understand it. Only Dr. Ford and Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh. That would bother me no end if I was an American.

Hasn't Dr. Ford claimed that one of Kavanaugh's buddies was present in the room when the alleged assault took place? Why not make him testify in front of the Senate Committee and have him deny the allegation under oath? How about the people that Dr. Ford told about the alleged assault years before Brett Kavanaugh was nominated?

Why hasn't the White House asked the FBI to conduct an investigation when this new information has come to light? It seems that the background check should be deepened when multiple citizens accuse him of wrongdoing. Don't the Republicans want to be as certain as they possibly can that their nominee for this extremely infuential position is a decent human being?

I don't think that the female prosecutor they plan on having do the questioning is being brought in as a "moderator". The eleven white male Republican Senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee have correctly surmised that it will look terrible to have almost a dozen men ask what are likely to be very probing questions of a personal and sexual nature, of a woman who claims to be the victim of a sexual assault. In my opinion they have hired themselves a skirt to hide behind. It will be the Senator's questions that are asked, they will just use a female voice in an attempt to make it look more palatable.

Hasn't Dr. Ford asked that the Senators ask the questions? It doesn't seem to be for her benefit that the female prosecutor has been brought onboard. Weren't these Senators elected by the American people for the exact reason to personally conduct investigations on whatever committee they happen to be a member of?

Now a third accuser has come forward and according to news reports I just saw, according to her lawyer she is willing to testify infront of the Senate as well. Will they hear her? These latest accusations are of a very grave nature.

How on earth is it possible for the Senate Committee to schedule the vote for Kavanaugh's confirmation early on Friday when they haven't even heard Dr. Ford yet? Less than twenty-four hours will have passed after her testimony when they vote. They aren't giving themselves any time at all to ask follow-up questions or call additional witnesses. If one was of a cynical persuasion, one might suspect that they've decided to plough ahead no matter what tomorrow's hearing reveals.

Well, at least Senator Hatch seems to have already decided that Dr. Ford is simply "mixed-up", so I guess he doesn't even need to attend tomorrow's hearing. Have the rest of them also prejudged her testimony? Is allowing Dr. Ford to be heard just theater?

No, you can't automatically assume that the three women are telling the truth. You also can't take a man who stands to lose a great deal at his word when he denies the allegations. If he's guilty, then who in their right mind would expect him to admit to his crimes? He'll in all likelihood deny whether he's innocent or guilty. The man is on the verge of receiving a promotion of a lifetime. That's why this should be investigated by a suitable law enforcement agency. This is why ALL relevant witnesses should be heard by law enforcement officials.

As I've said before, I have no way of knowing if the women's clains are truthful and accurate. But as I've also said before, I have a hard time believing that three women would be willing to have their lives turned upside down and undoubtedly be the recipients of numerous threats, including death threats. Would any of you guys be willing to subject yourselves to that based on political "affiliation"? Would you subject your loved ones to a nightmarish circus based on complete fabrications?

Guys, this isn't a court of law where the standard to convict is "beyond a reasonable doubt". This is about a man being considered for a promotion. This isn't about taking someone's freedom away as would happen if a person was convicted of a crime. This is about granting a person the honor of serving on your land's highest court. In my mind that ought to be a privilege bestowed upon a worthy person, not an automatic right simply because you've been nominated for the job. Is he a man that the American people feels is the right man for the job? Is he really the best candidate that could be found?

Justice Gorsuch was nominated and confirmed early in Trump's presidency. He's also a conservative and I suspect many Democrats/liberals aren't too fond of his politics. Despite that he made it through his hearings and was confirmed without any women accusing him of wrongdoing.

I think that those who think that the women's allegations are part of a Democrat-orchestrated smear campaign should ask themselves why one conservative judge is being accused of wrongdoing when another one wasn't the target of similar accusations. The logical explanation seems to be that Justice Gorsuch never assaulted women. As far as Trump's second nominee, it seems entirely reasonable that an investigation is conducted in order to try to get to the bottom of the accusations leveled against him.

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Well, look who came out of the woodwork, LOL

Yes, I said 'the way I understand it', it is hard to keep up with this story. I also said I am in favor of an investigation. It was also my understanding that the friend (Judge) would be present (although I could be wrong).

Maybe moderator was the wrong word, I meant someone impartial who is trained to ask the pointed questions in order to get to the truth.

Quote from you....." Weren't these Senators elected by the American people for the exact reason to personally conduct investigations on whatever committee they happen to be a member of?"

...... well if this is true then why do an FBI investigation, cant the Senators get to the truth themselves

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I agree with much of what you are saying. I agree that neither side should be playing politics with this. I don't know who is lying and who is telling the truth, nobody does, that is why we do need an investigation.

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Well, look who came out of the woodwork, LOL

Yes, I said 'the way I understand it', it is hard to keep up with this story. I also said I am in favor of an investigation. It was also my understanding that the friend (Judge) would be present (although I could be wrong).

Maybe moderator was the wrong word, I meant someone impartial who is trained to ask the pointed questions in order to get to the truth.

Quote from you....." Weren't these Senators elected by the American people for the exact reason to personally conduct investigations on whatever committee they happen to be a member of?"

...... well if this is true then why do an FBI investigation, cant the Senators get to the truth themselves

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I agree with much of what you are saying. I agree that neither side should be playing politics with this. I don't know who is lying and who is telling the truth, nobody does, that is why we do need an investigation.

That is why I have been calling Senators Grassley and McConnell, Daisy.

Please call them if you want a proper, FBI investigation.

One day of testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee isn't an investigation.

I read a headline on CNN that Committee is investigating latest allegation. But since I didn't read the story, I don't know what exactly that means.

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Nominee Kavanaugh's friend since high school is not scheduled to testify tomorrow.

No Wonder the GOP Doesn't Want Mark Judge to Testify

We will never hear from the other accusers, Mark Judge, or anyone else other than Dr. Ford. I have no doubt that the all male judiciary committee is just paying lip service to an "investigation", and will use the questioning to discredit and humiliate Dr. Ford. That's how the GOP old boys network operates.

I can't think of a time when I've been so outraged and embarrassed by our government. The double standard will be perpetuated, and we will continue to send the message that boys/men can do what they want to women and get away with it. After all, our so called President has done just that. My only consolation is that there are lot of pissed off women out there, and they will be voting in November.

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I have no doubt that the all male judiciary committee is just paying lip service to an "investigation", and will use the questioning to discredit and humiliate Dr. Ford.

(Just a little clarification -- the GOP members of the committee are all male. Four of the ten Democratic members are women.)

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(Just a little clarification -- the GOP members of the committee are all male. Four of the ten Democratic members are women.)

Thank you for that.

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NY Times had a great story yesterday about a Mormon women's group that sent a letter outlining their concerns over allegations against Kavanaugh to the Mormon members on Judiciary Committee.

I believe there are four Mormons on the Judiciary Committee.

Interesting because I don't consider Mormons to be left-wing liberals.

Yes, BC, women voting, and record number of women running for office.

And as Steve Bannon has pointed out, college-educated women are leaving the GOP in droves.

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