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Should a victim of sexual assault be told to come foward earlier?

  1. 1. Should a victim of sexual assault be told to come foward earlier?

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Yea, but if the allegation was against you would you feel the same way (based on what she said herself). She was inebriated, foggy, and cant remember.

There are some details she can't remember. She remembers the actual incident just fine. Don't you ever get tired of just quoting the GOP talking points?

In any case, a thorough, legitimate investigation would clear up any confusion and provide solid answers to these questions, one way or the other. If Kavanaugh is so squeaky clean, I would think he would be calling louder than anyone for a full investigation, to clear his good name. But the accusers, who have a lot to lose simply by coming forward publicly (the GOP attack/smear machine at full power), are the ones calling for a full FBI investigation, and the GOP, the White House, and Kavanaugh are the ones trying to ram this through without any further scrutiny. I can only conclude that is because the GOP, the White House, and Kavanaugh all know that he is dirty and are trying to sneak this past the public before we all find out.

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A third woman has stepped forward with allegations of sexual misconduct. An investigation must be launched. There is enough reasonable doubt about Kavanaugh's actions and character to put a halt to the vote scheduled for Friday. He should not fear an investigation if he's as squeaky clean as he professes. The GOP old white men's club cannot get away with pushing him through.

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There are some details she can't remember. She remembers the actual incident just fine. Don't you ever get tired of just quoting the GOP talking points?

In any case, a thorough, legitimate investigation would clear up any confusion and provide solid answers to these questions, one way or the other. If Kavanaugh is so squeaky clean, I would think he would be calling louder than anyone for a full investigation, to clear his good name. But the accusers, who have a lot to lose simply by coming forward publicly (the GOP attack/smear machine at full power), are the ones calling for a full FBI investigation, and the GOP, the White House, and Kavanaugh are the ones trying to ram this through without any further scrutiny. I can only conclude that is because the GOP, the White House, and Kavanaugh all know that he is dirty and are trying to sneak this past the public before we all find out.

I used her own words, not GOP talking points. I listen to both sides and try to see what the fair thing to do would be (politics aside).

The way I understand it there will be further scrutiny when all will be heard at the hearing before the appointment will be made (or not), and with an outside trained (in sexual crimes specifically) moderator so this would clear up the confusion and provide answers. If he is guilty then I don't think he should be appointed but I believe that we all deserve the presumption of innocence (until proven guilty) and I think that US Senators running around pronouncing him guilty is wrong on many levels(that is Dem political machine at work).

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I agree that all should initially be believed in order to open an investigation. I don't agree that the accused should be pronounced guilty before any investigation has happened.

Exactly!

And that is why the FBI should be called upon to investigate the allegations.

Unfortunately, GOP members of Senate Judiciary Committee are fighting tooth and nail, an investigation.

I have called Senator Grassley's office numerous times, asking for an FBI investigation.

Country before party!!!!

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I used her own words, not GOP talking points. I listen to both sides and try to see what the fair thing to do would be (politics aside).

The way I understand it there will be further scrutiny when all will be heard at the hearing before the appointment will be made (or not), and with an outside trained (in sexual crimes specifically) moderator so this would clear up the confusion and provide answers. If he is guilty then I don't think he should be appointed but I believe that we all deserve the presumption of innocence (until proven guilty) and I think that US Senators running around pronouncing him guilty is wrong on many levels(that is Dem political machine at work).

Nobody has pronounced him guilty.

That is for a court of law to decide.

You have to ask yourself why the GOP members of the Senate Judiciary Committee are so hellbent on NO FBI investigation.

You have to ask yourself why Kavanaugh went straight to Trump voters with Fox interview, instead of demanding a full investigation.

If it were me, and I was squeaky clean, I would insist on investigation, to clear my name and reputation.

But I think most of us understand why GOP is closing ranks around the good 'ol boy, instead of doing the right thing:INVESTIGATE.

Just another reason to knock GOP out of power in a few weeks.

They are unfit to govern.

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Nobody has pronounced him guilty.

That is for a court of law to decide.

You have to ask yourself why the GOP members of the Senate Judiciary Committee are so hellbent on NO FBI investigation.

You have to ask yourself why Kavanaugh went straight to Trump voters with Fox interview, instead of demanding a full investigation.

If it were me, and I was squeaky clean, I would insist on investigation, to clear my name and reputation.

But I think most of us understand why GOP is closing ranks around the good 'ol boy, instead of doing the right thing:INVESTIGATE.

Just another reason to knock GOP out of power in a few weeks.

They are unfit to govern.

I agree with an investigation.

There have been numerous Senators (Harris, Gillibrand, Hirono) publicly stating they believe her, which means they believe him to be guilty, and (in my opinion) should not be making a statement on who they believe one way or the other prior to an investigation.

Gillibrand: I believe her because she is telling the truth

Hirono: I believe her and men should shut up

Harris : I believe her

there have been others but you get the jist

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I agree with an investigation.

There have been numerous Senators (Harris, Gillibrand, Hirono) publicly stating they believe her, which means they believe him to be guilty, and (in my opinion) should not be making a statement on who they believe one way or the other prior to an investigation.

Gillibrand: I believe her because she is telling the truth

Hirono: I believe her and men should shut up

Harris : I believe her

there have been others but you get the jist

Saying you believe Ms. Ford, doesn't automatically mean Judge Kavanaugh is guilty.

Yes, men like Orrin Hatch should shut the hell up.

He sits on the Judiciary Committee, and has said that Ms. Ford is "mixed-up."

He hasn't heard a word from her, as she doesn't testify until tomorrow.

So, he should shut the pie hole, and face tomorrow with open ears, and an open calendar.

It is no longer 1991, and Hatch needs to realize that simple fact.

It seems to me, that great numbers of people in this country want an FBI investigation.

Why is the GOP tone deaf?

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Years ago a nearly unconscious patient was brought to the ICU after drinking antifreeze when police arrived while he was robbing a store.

A surgeon inserted a jugular central line. He was not my patient.

Walking by I looked into the room as his nurse was attaching a new IV to the central line in his neck. He was about to bite the nurse.

I yelled, "STOP! DON'T BITE!" The patient looked at me and gave that nurse time to get her hands away. We restrained his wrists.

The supervisor wrote me up stating that I, "Lost my temper and verbally abused a patient in a loud and inappropriate way."

Our nurse manager wanted to talk with me about my inappropriate yelling at a patient. I told her I wanted the nurse who was almost bitten. My manager was annoyed, but agreed.

When she heard the other nurse tell what she remembered about the incident. She said my loud order distracted the semi-conscious patient and prevent her being bite she said the incident would not be in my record.

At the time I had worked there more than 20 years and never written up.

What would the result be if she had refused to postpone the meeting until the other witness could be there?

(I would have called the union)

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I agree with an investigation.

There have been numerous Senators (Harris, Gillibrand, Hirono) publicly stating they believe her, which means they believe him to be guilty, and (in my opinion) should not be making a statement on who they believe one way or the other prior to an investigation.

Gillibrand: I believe her because she is telling the truth

Hirono: I believe her and men should shut up

Harris : I believe her

there have been others but you get the jist

If you believe these examples mean he is guilty, then you must believe members of the GOP consider Ms. Ford and the Yale classmate to be liars.

GOP is all set to vote on Kavanaugh before they hear a word of testimony, or investigate the allegations.

See how it works both ways?

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If you believe these examples mean he is guilty, then you must believe members of the GOP consider Ms. Ford and the Yale classmate to be liars.

GOP is all set to vote on Kavanaugh before they hear a word of testimony, or investigate the allegations.

See how it works both ways?

I am not sure I follow what you are saying (in your first sentence) but I do agree that is works both ways. Nobody should be saying he is either guilty or innocent until the facts come out, nor should they be saying she is mixed up etc. So, that does work both ways, Hatch and the other senators should all shut up.

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Years ago a nearly unconscious patient was brought to the ICU after drinking antifreeze when police arrived while he was robbing a store.

A surgeon inserted a jugular central line. He was not my patient.

Walking by I looked into the room as his nurse was attaching a new IV to the central line in his neck. He was about to bite the nurse.

I yelled, "STOP! DON'T BITE!" The patient looked at me and gave that nurse time to get her hands away. We restrained his wrists.

The supervisor wrote me up stating that I, "Lost my temper and verbally abused a patient in a loud and inappropriate way."

Our nurse manager wanted to talk with me about my inappropriate yelling at a patient. I told her I wanted the nurse who was almost bitten. My manager was annoyed, but agreed.

When she heard the other nurse tell what she remembered about the incident. She said my loud order distracted the semi-conscious patient and prevent her being bite she said the incident would not be in my record.

At the time I had worked there more than 20 years and never written up.

What would the result be if she had refused to postpone the meeting until the other witness could be there?

(I would have called the union)

I know this isn't your point but I cant believe a manager would treat you like that (OK I sadly can believe it!), this is ridiculous.

I agree that we need an investigation, for the accusers/witnesses to be heard and for the facts to come out.

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It wouldn't be allowed. I love how men who have been molested by clergy are automatically believed and supported, but when women come forward with their stories they are **** shamed and disregarded. Everyone, regardless of gender, should be taken seriously. The double standard is alive and well in the USA. #MAGA

I totally agree with this.

However, I think one of the reasons men are believed in this particularly case is that that accusations reached into the thousands, making it more believable. So it's not quite fair to compare her to yet even more accusations recently made.

The good news is that the more people come out the more others also come out. All it takes is one brave soul. Aren't there now three cases females claiming sexual misconduct?

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