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21 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

They went on national tv today and claimed the virus is going away. Claimed it's getting better. How? And Dr. Birx is a disappointment. I had to walk out of the room to keep from breaking my tv.

Dr Birx thoroughly recapped how things are better.  

 

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On 6/25/2020 at 5:07 PM, NurseBlaq said:

The government is broken. Checks and balances be damned. Throw the whole system away and start over.

I heard a conservative commentator the other day claim that there are those who support completely doing away with our government and starting over, which I thought was ridiculous; people support aggressive reforms but not abolishing our constitutional democracy and seeing what springs up in it's place. 

Since then you're one of multiple people I've been surprised to hear actually hold that view.  I would assume (hope) there's far more nuance to your views, but regardless it's these sorts of arguments that will ensure this window of opportunity for positive change isn't used to it's potential.  Most people appear to be open to reasonable reforms, but if the options don't include reasonable reforms, but is between complete anarchy followed by 'lets see what happens' and the status quo then we're going to see the status quo win out.  

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11 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I heard a conservative commentator the other day claim that there are those who support completely doing away with our government and starting over, which I thought was ridiculous; people support aggressive reforms but not abolishing our constitutional democracy and seeing what springs up in it's place. 

Since then you're one of multiple people I've been surprised to hear actually hold that view.  I would assume (hope) there's far more nuance to your views, but regardless it's these sorts of arguments that will ensure this window of opportunity for positive change isn't used to it's potential.  Most people appear to be open to reasonable reforms, but if the options don't include reasonable reforms, but is between complete anarchy followed by 'lets see what happens' and the status quo then we're going to see the status quo win out.  

You don't understand sarcasm huh? No, I'm not so far out of touch that I know there's no way to completely rid of the whole system and I don't condone anarchy. However, the current system is tragic and I'm tired of politics, from both sides of the track. It's not about the people anymore, it about ego and monetary gain. We need new politicians and judges need limited time on the bench so we can remove those who are playing politics instead of doing what's best for the people in this country.

And don't do the window of opportunity argument because it's been evident for years that's not the goal of many. MLK, Civil Rights Movement, Emancipation Proclamation, Jim Crow, etc have shown us they don't really plan on changing anything. Just gives us new names, new faces, a few bones here and there and they keep the status quo going. It always wins out and we're tired of it. NOTHING has changed, just renamed and life goes on. When does it end?

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18 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

They went on national tv today and claimed the virus is going away. Claimed it's getting better. How? And Dr. Birx is a disappointment. I had to walk out of the room to keep from breaking my tv.

The numbers are getting worse people. As an R.N  and COVID survivor, I blame Trump, members of Trump's administration, and the Republican Party for not reacting to COVID -19. As Nurses, we must unite and demand the truth for Trump and his administration. We are out here risking our lives while President Trump,  Trump's administration, and the majority of the Republican party are lying about COVID 19. They opened up some states to early and did not enact proper social distancing and PPE.

 

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7 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

You don't understand sarcasm huh? No, I'm not so far out of touch that I know there's no way to completely rid of the whole system and I don't condone anarchy. However, the current system is tragic and I'm tired of politics, from both sides of the track. It's not about the people anymore, it about ego and monetary gain. We need new politicians and judges need limited time on the bench so we can remove those who are playing politics instead of doing what's best for the people in this country.

And don't do the window of opportunity argument because it's been evident for years that's not the goal of many. MLK, Civil Rights Movement, Emancipation Proclamation, Jim Crow, etc have shown us they don't really plan on changing anything. Just gives us new names, new faces, a few bones here and there and they keep the status quo going. It always wins out and we're tired of it. NOTHING has changed, just renamed and life goes on. When does it end?

An exaggeration or overstatement is different from sarcasm, but to your points; I don't agree that race relations are absolutely no different now compared to how it was 200 years ago, I don't agree, for instance, that there was no benefit to the emancipation proclamation. 

Progress has certainly been frustratingly slow, and there are still plenty of people who's views are essentially unchanged from 200 years ago, but I don't agree that there's no benefit to step-wise progress if it doesn't result in full resolution of racial issues.  If we insist on an all-or-nothing requirement, then it's nothing that we will get.

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7 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

They went on national tv today and claimed the virus is going away. Claimed it's getting better. How? And Dr. Birx is a disappointment. I had to walk out of the room to keep from breaking my tv. They went on national tv today and claimed the virus is going away. Claimed it's getting better. How? And Dr. Birx is a disappointment. I had to walk out of the room to keep from breaking my tv.

 

On 6/26/2020 at 2:06 PM, Lucylu71 said:

Dr Birx thoroughly recapped how things are better.  

 

Birx said we're in a better position now, which is quite a bit different than Trump's claim that it's 'going away', which it clearly is not.

Dr. Birx's statement was that we're going into another spike with experience we didn't have going into the last one, which is true, although was even she likely assumed didn't need to be said is that what would be even better is to not have to have an increasing depth of experience of how to react to our poorly mitigated spread of a pandemic.

It's like if someone get's chlamydia from unprotected sex, but points out that this is the tenth time that's happened, so luckily for them they are well versed in the steps to take after you catch chlamydia.  It probably shouldn't need to be said that while it's great they've mastered the process to go through after you get chlamydia, a better way to address their issue would be to avoid getting it in the first place.   

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On 6/27/2020 at 5:09 PM, MunoRN said:

 

Birx said we're in a better position now, which is quite a bit different than Trump's claim that it's 'going away', which it clearly is not.

Dr. Birx's statement was that we're going into another spike with experience we didn't have going into the last one, which is true, although was even she likely assumed didn't need to be said is that what would be even better is to not have to have an increasing depth of experience of how to react to our poorly mitigated spread of a pandemic.

 

Are we though? Supplies are still lacking and/or running out in some places. Nurses are still using N95s too long, and some are using surgical masks just as bad and for days and hours on end. Staff are tired and short. They're furloughing nurses instead of cross training them. There's a major uptick and hospitals are not able to keep up with the demand. There's still no clear plan of action and states are still on their own because the federal government is trash. They're still opening states or refusing to close them down nationwide when there's clearly an uptick in cases/deaths. Nothing they said was valuable and Dr. Birx is too busy stroking Trump's ego and going along to get along instead of speaking the solid truth and stating pure facts. Nope, she behaves as if she's afraid to be a medical professional and letting a nonmedical professional dictate the information they're delivering to the country, many also non medical professionals and taking the disinformation, or watered down info, literal. It's not helping us!

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On 6/27/2020 at 5:00 PM, MunoRN said:

An exaggeration or overstatement is different from sarcasm, but to your points; I don't agree that race relations are absolutely no different now compared to how it was 200 years ago, I don't agree, for instance, that there was no benefit to the emancipation proclamation. 

Progress has certainly been frustratingly slow, and there are still plenty of people who's views are essentially unchanged from 200 years ago, but I don't agree that there's no benefit to step-wise progress if it doesn't result in full resolution of racial issues.  If we insist on an all-or-nothing requirement, then it's nothing that we will get.

You can't define what I meant as sarcasm if you didn't understand it from the beginning. You don't agree because it doesn't affect you and you don't experience it, full stop. I, like many I know, are tired of trying to explain our plight to people who refuse to listen or attempt to excuse away the facts. Several men were lynched within the past week or two and you still believe race relations have changed. Those are just the ones that made national news, it's never stopped. You don't have to agree, fine. But your post is an example of why there's still a problem. It's been 400 years of the same nonsense and you still think there's step-wise progress benefits to be seen. Ridiculous. The whole system is flawed and not by accident. It's functioning the way it was meant to and there is no plan for progress. And the emancipation proclamation freed slaves but you think there was no benefit. Do you see the nonsense you typed? You can't be serious! Save your condescending and dismissive BS because you just keep going down the trail to something I can't say due to TOS. SMH

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OK wait.... I misread the emancipation proclamation part but my original point still stands.

Slaves were freed via the EP but they remixed it via the US penal system. POC are incarcerated and sentenced more often and receive harsher sentences than nonPOC. The system is rigged that way too. Within the penal system, they're forced to do labor for literal pennies per day. The only difference between that and slavery is at least they receive a few pennies. Still slavery, but by another name.

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19 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

OK wait.... I misread the emancipation proclamation part but my original point still stands.

Slaves were freed via the EP but they remixed it via the US penal system. POC are incarcerated and sentenced more often and receive harsher sentences than nonPOC. The system is rigged that way too. Within the penal system, they're forced to do labor for literal pennies per day. The only difference between that and slavery is at least they receive a few pennies. Still slavery, but by another name.

Very accurate.

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On 6/29/2020 at 9:24 PM, NurseBlaq said:

Are we though? Supplies are still lacking and/or running out in some places. Nurses are still using N95s too long, and some are using surgical masks just as bad and for days and hours on end. Staff are tired and short. They're furloughing nurses instead of cross training them. There's a major uptick and hospitals are not able to keep up with the demand. There's still no clear plan of action and states are still on their own because the federal government is trash. They're still opening states or refusing to close them down nationwide when there's clearly an uptick in cases/deaths. Nothing they said was valuable and Dr. Birx is too busy stroking Trump's ego and going along to get along instead of speaking the solid truth and stating pure facts. Nope, she behaves as if she's afraid to be a medical professional and letting a nonmedical professional dictate the information they're delivering to the country, many also non medical professionals and taking the disinformation, or watered down info, literal. It's not helping us!

We've gone from extremely unprepared to very unprepared, but I wouldn't agree we're in the exact same position as we were in April.  Little if any of that improvement is thanks to the Trump administration, but we're clearly more practiced in dealing with Covid.  For the first three weeks that my hospital had Covid patients, we had no ability to test at all, and even once we got tests it took days to get an unreliable result.  We would have been delighting with getting an N95 to wear even if we had to wear it all day, for a 250 bed hospital we had a full case and a partial case of N95s and a dozen PAPRs.  This was only made worse by not having any idea of who had or didn't have COVID.  The clinical criteria early on narrowed it down to just about every symptom a patient might be hospitalized for.  We also now far more about how to treat, and more importantly how not to treat Covid infections.  So no, we're not where we should be but we're also not in the exact same position we were in 4 months ago.  

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On 6/29/2020 at 9:30 PM, NurseBlaq said:

You can't define what I meant as sarcasm if you didn't understand it from the beginning. You don't agree because it doesn't affect you and you don't experience it, full stop. I, like many I know, are tired of trying to explain our plight to people who refuse to listen or attempt to excuse away the facts. Several men were lynched within the past week or two and you still believe race relations have changed. Those are just the ones that made national news, it's never stopped. You don't have to agree, fine. But your post is an example of why there's still a problem. It's been 400 years of the same nonsense and you still think there's step-wise progress benefits to be seen. Ridiculous. The whole system is flawed and not by accident. It's functioning the way it was meant to and there is no plan for progress. And the emancipation proclamation freed slaves but you think there was no benefit. Do you see the nonsense you typed? You can't be serious! Save your condescending and dismissive BS because you just keep going down the trail to something I can't say due to TOS. SMH

 

On 6/29/2020 at 9:45 PM, NurseBlaq said:

OK wait.... I misread the emancipation proclamation part but my original point still stands.

Slaves were freed via the EP but they remixed it via the US penal system. POC are incarcerated and sentenced more often and receive harsher sentences than nonPOC. The system is rigged that way too. Within the penal system, they're forced to do labor for literal pennies per day. The only difference between that and slavery is at least they receive a few pennies. Still slavery, but by another name.

I'm not sure where you're getting that I don't believe we currently have any problems, much less that it's likely we are going to fix all the problems in the near future, or that I am trying to 'excuse away the facts'.

 

 

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