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Given the current situation with healthcare and debt in this country major changes are coming. Healthcare is very much tied to our national debt as it is Medicare/Medicaid that is 'breaking the bank'.

We're experiencing cutbacks in Medicare funding already and we're going to see much more. When politicians speak of "entitlement cuts" they really mean "medicare cuts".

It seems that given that drastic cuts are on the way we need to be thinking about what to cut. I'd say that paperwork that is of questionable value should be given high priority. Plans of care are generally done because they are a requirement rather than because they benefit patients.....The vast majority of Nurses who fill them out don't think they are of any benefit. Even if they minimally beneficial they still need to be considered for cost-saving cuts.

We're going to have to cut other stuff of course. There are all sorts of niceties that aren't going to survive draconian budget cuts.

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Over the next 12 months, the government will spend an average of $30 billion more every month than it takes in.

Does this concern you? It should!!!

If your family earns $50,000 per year, just to pay down the $1 trillion in new debt that the government overspends each year – it would take your family 32 million years to pay for it.

Now, multiply that by 16 – because the government is now $16 trillion in debt –

That’s five hundred and twelve million years. Yes, 512,000,000 years to pay it back!

Penny plan SOLUTION??

If the government cuts one penny out of every dollar of its total spending (excluding interest payments) each year for five years, and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on, we can:

  • Reduce federal spending by $7.5 trillion over 10 years.
  • Balance the budget by 2019.

Would you be for or against the penny plan?

If against the penny plan, what plan would you support?

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I need to know more in order to be in favor of it. What I'd need to know is what would be cut.

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Medicare may run out by 2024. Social Security could run out by 2033. People need to wake up! All of the young people are going to be in huge trouble taking the burden of everyone if things don't turn around.

Although most favor medicare and social security, if the government is using that money to fund other things, then the system is broken and doesn't work.

Gone will be the days of lower taxes. The poor are getting more dependent on government assistance. It was intended to be used as short term, now it's a way of life.

The poor grow in number and want to keep things the way they are even though the American dollar could very well collapse someday.

If the government just cut spending by 1% for every dollar they take in, it would be a place to start. If it's not life and death, it's not as important to me as losing America all together!

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If it's not life and death,

It may well be life and death. Medicare spending is going up no matter what anybody does. The rate of increase needs to be slowed but nothing will prevent medicare from going up.

Cutting revenues may well involve cutting vital medical services.

My point is that significant budget cuts aren't simple these days.

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The poor grow in number and want to keep things the way they are even though the American dollar could very well collapse someday.

This is ridiculous statement.

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This is ridiculous statement.

I work in homes with the poor all of the time. The majority are addicted to the government and it's our fault we allowed it to happen! We have allowed them to become trapped!

It's not a bad thing to try and get people to be the hardest working they can! If they absolutely can't, that's one thing!

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It may well be life and death. Medicare spending is going up no matter what anybody does. The rate of increase needs to be slowed but nothing will prevent medicare from going up.

Cutting revenues may well involve cutting vital medical services.

My point is that significant budget cuts aren't simple these days.

My problem isn't with medicare for we need to take care of the sick and elderly who paid their entire lives into that system. It's the abuse of the system that needs to stop....from the physicians who billed and pillaged the system for years....to the un-entitled who abuse the system for easy pay....to the insurance companies who pillage the system and the poor people who are ill and need the system the most.

Since when should a doctors office (GP) be greater than $300.00 to walk in the door for 10 minutes of their time. Who is worth $1800.00/hr. Why does a pulse ox spot check cost $50.00?? How does a 12-lead EKG cost $400.00 with separate bill for the MD interpretation that's another $275.00...Seriously? Why should any medicine cost thousands of dollars?

It's greed.

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My problem isn't with medicare for we need to take care of the sick and elderly who paid their entire lives into that system. It's the abuse of the system that needs to stop....from the physicians who billed and pillaged the system for years....to the un-entitled who abuse the system for easy pay....to the insurance companies who pillage the system and the poor people who are ill and need the system the most.

Since when should a doctors office (GP) be greater than $300.00 to walk in the door for 10 minutes of their time. Who is worth $1800.00/hr. Why does a pulse ox spot check cost $50.00?? How does a 12-lead EKG cost $400.00 with separate bill for the MD interpretation that's another $275.00...Seriously? Why should any medicine cost thousands of dollars?

It's greed.

I think Doctor's have gotten so big that they are forced to charge a high dollar.

Just as little as 2 decades ago, Doctor's would travel to a home. He didn't have 20 employees that had to be paid per hour, rent, lighting, cleaning people, transcribers, etc.

Doctor's worked their butts off to get where they are at. I think they have the right to live the American dream...but if the cost is so bad that it's ridiculous, then I agree, they need to scale back.

The pharmaceutical companies are just pure thief's IMO.

I do agree that the sick and elderly must be taken care of...but I sure as heck think we need to put more pressure on the free-loaders who have no plan to get off assistance and don't need to be on it!!!!

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My problem isn't with medicare for we need to take care of the sick and elderly who paid their entire lives into that system. It's the abuse of the system that needs to stop....from the physicians who billed and pillaged the system for years....to the un-entitled who abuse the system for easy pay....to the insurance companies who pillage the system and the poor people who are ill and need the system the most.

It's greed.

I agree. Fee for service medicine is the cause of huge overspending on medical care in this country.

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I agree. Fee for service medicine is the cause of huge overspending on medical care in this country.

When I used to work at a Wound Clinic, we had several obese patient's on Medicaid with diabetic ulcers. We only got $8.00 to wrap this leg in 4 layer compression that took two people to hold it up.... so, some clinics/doctor's I assume must make up for the loss they are getting from the government.

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I work in homes with the poor all of the time. The majority are addicted to the government and it's our fault we allowed it to happen! We have allowed them to become trapped! It's not a bad thing to try and get people to be the hardest working they can! If they absolutely can't' date=' that's one thing![/quote']

While I believe that you have encountered this in your work, it is anecdotal evidence at best. You likely have met or worked with less than 0.0001% (I'm being generous) of the 40 million people below the poverty line in the US. There is simply no way you can make a blanket statement about all poor people with that data set.

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