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Perhaps we're saying the same thing. I don't know. I started getting dizzy after about the 5th time trying to understand what you wrote.

Bless your heart, and what w/my poor writing skills being practically legendary. ....

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Able to carry their own weight? Most of the people receiving help are children. They are the innocents in this debate. It is interesting to me that the same people who don't want abortions also don't want to have these children, born into poverty, get basic needs met, ie. health care, food, education. I am not in favor of abortion and understand that if a child is born it is the responsibility of those around it to make sure it can succeed. It would be great if that meant two parents and two sets of grandparents, a loving community, etc. Since that has not been the case the government is the next step.

If our sense of charity included the down-trodden in the US then we would not need government intervention. Until I see that happen I will continue to be the liberal who cares for children who can't care for themselves. The others who abuse the system, etc. are a minority who are making it worse for the children. Why make them suffer for things they, as children, hold no power to control or change?

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I like the direction Tweety and Pierrette are taking this conversation. I know what I believe and would like but don't am constantly surprised by the big Two political parties. Sometimes I'm unsure what a liberal is and apparently I'm not alone. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-10658070

My conservative views are we should not run a budget deficit, shouldn't send our troops to die overseas whether in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, or Serbia. Welfare should be available but limited in duration and people on it must do some kind of public work whether it's setting up chairs for meetings or picking up trash in the streets. An exemtion from working would be given for anyone taking job training or college classes. Government trade policy should place tarriffs on products made overseas using cheap labor, unsafe methods, or failing to properly dispose of toxic byproducts. It's disgusting the stuff we let China and Korea get away with to undercut US manufacturers on price. Also, and it seems this is not in anyone's agenda, I would require pharmaceutical manufacturers and medical device suppliers to charge no more to US companies and consumers than they charge in other countries.

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Able to carry their own weight? Most of the people receiving help are children. They are the innocents in this debate. It is interesting to me that the same people who don't want abortions also don't want to have these children, born into poverty, get basic needs met, ie. health care, food, education. I am not in favor of abortion and understand that if a child is born it is the responsibility of those around it to make sure it can succeed. It would be great if that meant two parents and two sets of grandparents, a loving community, etc. Since that has not been the case the government is the next step.

If our sense of charity included the down-trodden in the US then we would not need government intervention. Until I see that happen I will continue to be the liberal who cares for children who can't care for themselves. The others who abuse the system, etc. are a minority who are making it worse for the children. Why make them suffer for things they, as children, hold no power to control or change?

And children cannot carry their own weight....so we agree.

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Bless your heart, and what w/my poor writing skills being practically legendary. ....

:yawn:

Well, I didn't want to say anything....

But please, explain what the heck this "sentence" means?

Could be vice/versa if only way to compute.

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Oh, that?

That was a little conservative outreach I’m trying --- reparations through translation . Just doing my part to stave off appearances of the dreaded tit/tat retort.

In this case I’d given an example of republicans behaving badly and I’ve learned that for many a reality like that just won’t process unless you also allow for the possibility of an equally negative opposing scenario. I hold high hopes that there’s a bonus involved when you introduce the suggestion yourself.

So I don’t mind.

It’s for the greater good.

A sentence....that's just darling....

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Ok - found something for ya.

A dozen reasons why I'm a conservative

A dozen reasons why I'm a conservative

Let me begin this article by stating that I am not a Republican. I am, however, a conservative. I embrace conservatism because that particular philosophy is distinguished, in part, by the following precepts.

  1. Governmental control over our lives should be limited to those few trammels which are absolutely necessary to the survival of an otherwise free nation. In the words of Thomas Paine, "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
  2. Taxation should only occur when necessary to provide for the common defense, civilian police agencies, firefighting organizations, roadways, railways and other essential aspects of our nation's infrastructure. If we are to have income taxes, everyone but the destitute should pay a proportional amount of those taxes (the same percentage of taxes regardless of their income), and those who pay no income taxes should be thankful to those who do.
  3. Our nation was founded upon the principle of God-given rights, regardless of the conflicting opinion of a small minority of American citizens who do not believe in the concept of a higher power. After all, not every American believes in the viability of the capitalist system either, but our system is still based upon capitalism no matter what some people choose to believe.
  4. The preservation of innocent human lives is of paramount importance to all moral people, and those who wish to gratuitously destroy a fetus in the womb have an obligation to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that an unborn child is not a human life, worthy of the same legal protections that all other individuals enjoy, before committing abortion.
  5. Free market principles should be applied to public education, health care and a host of other systems, which have of late been thrust into the socialistic downward spiral of governmental intervention and over-regulation.
  6. We, the people, have an expectation of public accountability and private responsibility. With every individual right claimed, there is an equally important responsibility attached to it, and for every ounce of power claimed by some people over everyone else, there should be a pound of accountability awaiting those claimants at the end of the day.
  7. People who wish to immigrate to our country need to do so legally. They should be willing to learn our language, respect our culture and obey our laws once they're here. Those who refuse to do so should be deported immediately.
  8. Our federal government should have autonomy in determining what is in the best interest of our country internationally, as opposed to relying on organizations such as the United Nations to make our decisions for us.
  9. You can't bargain with bullies, tyrants or terrorists, and to even try is not only naive but potentially suicidal. Sometimes violence is the only means by which one can defend one's liberties. Those who refuse to resort to violent acts under any circumstances are destined for slavery.
  10. Affirmative action is racism, no different than those forms of racism practiced by the Nazis of W.W.II Germany or former President Charles Taylor's regime in modern-day Liberia.
  11. People are not basically good, nor are they basically bad. They're both, that's why a moral code is necessary to the sustainability of a free society.
  12. All human beings crave liberty and felicity, and to deny even one person who chooses to live a virtuous life the opportunity to pursue happiness and experience individual freedom, is a crime against humanity.

I'm sure there are some conservatives who would disagree with one or two of the above outlined principles, or at least the wording I have chosen to use regarding them, but it is my contention that these statements essentially speak for the vast majority of American conservatives.

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Won't nitpick everything about the above that bothers me, but:

Affirmative action is racist no different than Nazism?

"Sometimes violence is the only means by which one can defend one's liberties. Those who refuse to resort to violent acts under any circumstances are destined for slavery. " hmmmm........nevermind.

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Ok - found something for ya.

A dozen reasons why I'm a conservative

A dozen reasons why I'm a conservative

Let me begin this article by stating that I am not a Republican. I am, however, a conservative. I embrace conservatism because that particular philosophy is distinguished, in part, by the following precepts.

  1. Governmental control over our lives should be limited to those few trammels which are absolutely necessary to the survival of an otherwise free nation. In the words of Thomas Paine, "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
  2. Taxation should only occur when necessary to provide for the common defense, civilian police agencies, firefighting organizations, roadways, railways and other essential aspects of our nation's infrastructure. If we are to have income taxes, everyone but the destitute should pay a proportional amount of those taxes (the same percentage of taxes regardless of their income), and those who pay no income taxes should be thankful to those who do.
  3. Our nation was founded upon the principle of God-given rights, regardless of the conflicting opinion of a small minority of American citizens who do not believe in the concept of a higher power. After all, not every American believes in the viability of the capitalist system either, but our system is still based upon capitalism no matter what some people choose to believe.
  4. The preservation of innocent human lives is of paramount importance to all moral people, and those who wish to gratuitously destroy a fetus in the womb have an obligation to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that an unborn child is not a human life, worthy of the same legal protections that all other individuals enjoy, before committing abortion.
  5. Free market principles should be applied to public education, health care and a host of other systems, which have of late been thrust into the socialistic downward spiral of governmental intervention and over-regulation.
  6. We, the people, have an expectation of public accountability and private responsibility. With every individual right claimed, there is an equally important responsibility attached to it, and for every ounce of power claimed by some people over everyone else, there should be a pound of accountability awaiting those claimants at the end of the day.
  7. People who wish to immigrate to our country need to do so legally. They should be willing to learn our language, respect our culture and obey our laws once they're here. Those who refuse to do so should be deported immediately.
  8. Our federal government should have autonomy in determining what is in the best interest of our country internationally, as opposed to relying on organizations such as the United Nations to make our decisions for us.
  9. You can't bargain with bullies, tyrants or terrorists, and to even try is not only naive but potentially suicidal. Sometimes violence is the only means by which one can defend one's liberties. Those who refuse to resort to violent acts under any circumstances are destined for slavery.
  10. Affirmative action is racism, no different than those forms of racism practiced by the Nazis of W.W.II Germany or former President Charles Taylor's regime in modern-day Liberia.
  11. People are not basically good, nor are they basically bad. They're both, that's why a moral code is necessary to the sustainability of a free society.
  12. All human beings crave liberty and felicity, and to deny even one person who chooses to live a virtuous life the opportunity to pursue happiness and experience individual freedom, is a crime against humanity.

I'm sure there are some conservatives who would disagree with one or two of the above outlined principles, or at least the wording I have chosen to use regarding them, but it is my contention that these statements essentially speak for the vast majority of American conservatives.

Yep, that's about it right there.......although I think the wording comparing affirmative action to Nazism is rather harsh, the rest describes my own political views about as closely as it would be possible for someone who doesn't know me personally to do. Thank you for sharing this, Steph. :yeah:

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I agree with him on the government part, and can even sort of understand most of the logic of the rest whether or not I agree with it.

But I have to call BS on this:

You can't bargain with bullies, tyrants or terrorists, and to even try is not only naive but potentially suicidal. Sometimes violence is the only means by which one can defend one's liberties. Those who refuse to resort to violent acts under any circumstances are destined for slavery.

He apparently has never fully understood the concept of nonviolent resistance. Nonviolent resisters refuse all kinds of slavery, including slavery to the cycle of violence.

This sounds like someone trying to justify the massive government growth brought about by the GWOT in the name of 'getting the bad guys.'. He conveniently forgets that the US has financially propped up, allied itself with, and even armed some of the world's worst bullies/tyrants/dictators/terrorists (all words, apparently, defined by perspective).

Nope, not buying it. Danke....nein.

Surprise. LOL

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Yep, that's about it right there.......although I think the wording comparing affirmative action to Nazism is rather harsh, the rest describes my own political views about as closely as it would be possible for someone who doesn't know me personally to do. Thank you for sharing this, Steph. :yeah:

Yeah - I thought so too . . .. people on both sides need to stop with the knee-jerk comparison to "Hitler" or "Nazi".

steph

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There has to be a better way to address inequality than affirmative action but Nazis were actually to the right. If the government had been willing to kill as many as necessary then the civil rights movement would have been dead literally and figuratively. Non-violent resistance assumes that your enemy is mistaken not out to destroy you. Ask those who are trying it in Iran. It is not working so well for them but that is OK because they are not expected to live up to the standards of behavior of the civilized world. That sounds just a little racist to me.

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