Why Nurses Should Oppose the Global Gag Rule on Abortion - page 3
Coat hangers. Hot oil. Lye. The options women use to terminate unwanted pregnancy when safe medical or surgical abortions are unavailable or illegal. In Kenya, women resort to probing their... Read More
Nov 15Joined: Jan '11; Posts: 5,441; Likes: 22,509Quote from DaveICURNJust women?
If I may allude to a later posting. If the knowledge of abortion being banned was made known, then the women would have incentive to commit to knowledge attained by safe sex talks.
Quote from DaveICURNSo if I'm raped by my father, I have to have the baby because you say so? If my pregnancy seriously threatens my life for some reason I just have to take that chance because of your (and others') "beliefs" and too bad so sad because I didn't have "safe sex"? What if the fetus dies in utero? I have to wait for nature to take its inevitable course and risk my health and even my life, rather than safely inducing "an abortion"- because of your "beliefs"?I agree completely, however I think the total number of abortion should be zero.
Quote from DaveICURNI am calling foul on that one. She neither said nor implied anything of the sort, not even remotely. Quite frankly, I think you should apologize for that. But I won't hold my breath.You say "the next generation" but you mean men. Well you mean P.O.S. boys who need to be beaten and offered euthanasia, but I digress.
Quote from DaveICURNWhen you post things like the above that she neither said nor implied, it makes your post seem VERY disingenuous.Tc continue the narrative that all men are rapists until taught otherwise is demeaning and lessens the burden of responsibility on society.Last edit by Horseshoe on Nov 15
Nov 15Joined: Jan '11; Posts: 5,441; Likes: 22,509Quote from toomuchbaloneyI've always been struck by the irony of the fact that the same people who work so tirelessly to ban abortion are often the same ones who put so many roadblocks to women and men obtaining cheap (forget free altogether) and easily accessible birth control.
Current Christian conservative policy actively seeks to limit access to Planned Parenthood and puts roadblocks in the way of working poor women having their birth control covered by employee health plans. They often advocate abstinence teaching in public and home schooling. Those policies, largely lead to higher teen and unwanted pregnanciesLast edit by Horseshoe on Nov 15
Nov 15From: US ; Joined: Feb '14; Posts: 9,880; Likes: 18,698Quote from HorseshoeAll while the deeply religious voters, offended by abortion, embrace ignorance and lies to continueI've always been struck by the irony of the fact that the same people who work so tirelessly to ban abortion are often the same ones who put so many roadblocks to women and men obtaining cheap (forget free altogether) and easily accessible birth control.
fretting about unborn babies. They pray for the fetus while ignoring the suffering of born children at every intersection of their conservative political policy with public issues.
Children going hungry.
Children who are homeless.
Children with poor access to healthcare.
Children with poor access to quality education.
Children with poisoned municipal water.
Children who are separated from their families intentionally at our border.
Nov 28Joined: Mar '04; Posts: 18,134; Likes: 37,968Quote from HorseshoeI am pro life. I would never have an abortion.I've always been struck by the irony of the fact that the same people who work so tirelessly to ban abortion are often the same ones who put so many roadblocks to women and men obtaining cheap (forget free altogether) and easily accessible birth control.
With listening and kindness I helped two young women, one 16 and one 18 decide not to abort their babies. They were my daughter's friends.
I was with them when they told their parents.
One baby was adopted with the teen father's permission. The other parents were too upset. They kicked their daughter out of the house. Her priest arranged for her to stay at a convent in a nearby county. Most of the nuns were elderly. She lived with them and finished high school before the baby girl was born. She did lots of work for and with them.
After the baby was born she lived in the convent while attending nursing school.
A few nuns were working nurses or teacher, but most were retired. I don't know about financing at all. She didn't get her own place to live until she was working at a Catholic hospital.
Now that "baby" is a women and college graduate. She had a late start with her grandparents, but I was with them once for a birthday party and her Mom's parents welcomed their daughter back and love their granddaughter.
I would not be on a jury if the death sentence was a possibility because I could not vote to end a life, even if the law allowed it.
(When a murderer is put to death, killed by police, or by guards or fellow inmates in prison it does not upset me.) I would ONLY kill or purposefully harm a person to protect human life.
Before Roe V Wade young local girls and women went to Mexico for abortions. Some died there, others returned home and died of sepsis. I was a nursing assistant who admitted a septic 15 year old who had tried to abort herself by douching with cola and bleach. She died the same evening she was admitted.
I believe in my soul that the way to prevent abortion is to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
We nurses know what that would take. It begins with education. Pakistan is an example of what not to do. (In my opinion)
Here is an article:
Why The Abortion Rate In Pakistan Is One Of The World's Highest
November 28, 2018
When at 19 Mehnaz became pregnant for the fifth time, she panicked. She already had four daughters, and her husband was threatening to throw her out if she had another. So she did what millions of Pakistani women do every year: She had an abortion...
... That was eight years ago. Since then she has had two more abortions, each time because she feared the baby would be a daughter.
Mehnaz, whose last name is being shielded to protect her identity, is one of millions of Pakistani women who have abortions each year. The deeply conservative Muslim country is estimated to have one of the highest rates of abortion in the world, based on a 2012 study by the New York-based Population Council, a nonprofit that advocates family planning. The rate that year was 50 abortions for every 1,000 women aged 15 to 44 - roughly four times higher than in the U.S...
... Pakistani women largely seek abortions because they either don't know about contraception or cannot access reliable contraception - or they've stopped using contraception after suffering complications...
... Because many providers aren't properly qualified, researchers estimate about a third of all women who undertake abortions in Pakistan suffer complications, ranging from heavy bleeding to a perforated uterus and deadly infections.
Health workers do reach out to women to provide information about family planning. Some 130,000 women are employed by provincial health ministries to do house visits across the country, teaching about birth control.
But health workers are poorly trained and in short supply. Budgetary shortages, supply problems and corruption mean they often don't have contraceptives, or distribute expired contraceptives - and that there's little follow-up on how to use them.
Mehnaz was paid a visit by two such workers. She says they gave her an injection meant to prevent conception for three months.
She became pregnant again anyway. As before, she tried taking pills to induce an abortion but says they made her sick so she stopped taking them.
Three years ago she had her seventh child, a girl. She then tried taking the pill, offered by the visiting health workers.
She says it made her dizzy and she stopped taking it.
She again became pregnant but miscarried - and pleaded with doctors to sterilize her.
She says they told her she had to wait until she was 40 - or get a permission slip from her husband. He refused: "He says he can't sign this, it's a sin."
She says he also refuses to use condoms or to stop having sex with her...
If she has another girl, her husband may well abandon her. If she tries to induce another abortion, her health could deteriorate.
"I am stuck," she says.
Why The Abortion Rate In Pakistan Is One Of The World's Highest : Goats and Soda : NPR