Why are the victims always blame? - page 12

As healthcare professionals, we know the effects of blaming any victim of any sexual misconduct. However, as I watch Cuomo Prime Time one of the guests is Kelly- Anne Conway she is actually blaming... Read More

  1. by   Lil Nel
    I don't know what Kavanaugh did, or didn't do.

    I do know his performance was unworthy a US Supreme Court Justice.

    Retired justice Stevens agrees with me.

    He said he lacked the necessary temperament.

    Quite frankly, he behaved like a spoiled brat.
  2. by   chare
    Quote from nursej22
    [...]
    Mueller was accused last week of improprieties, and he referred that to the FBI immediately. Kavenaugh, when accused, had a temper tantrum at a Senate hearing. Which reaction seems more guilty?
    He didn't refer it to the FBI so that he could be investigated. He referred it based on allegations that at least one of the accusers was paid to make the allegation.
    Special counsel Robert Mueller has referred to the FBI allegations that women were "offered money" to make "false claims" about him, a spokesman said Tuesday.

    Spokesman Peter Carr released this statement to CNBC:

    When we learned last week of allegations that women were offered money to make false claims about the Special Counsel, we immediately referred the matter to the FBI for investigation.
    [...]
    Mueller accuses opponents of offering women money to make 'false claims' about him
  3. by   heron
    Quote from chare
    He didn't refer it to the FBI so that he could be investigated. He referred it based on allegations that at least one of the accusers was paid to make the allegation.

    Mueller accuses opponents of offering women money to make 'false claims' about him
    What difference does that make? Mueller isn't stupid and is unlikely to believe that investigation of the allegations would miss evidence of actual wrongdoing.

    Any time someone tries to prevent me from asking questions, I have to wonder what they're hiding.
  4. by   DaveICURN
    I would respectfully disagree. If you come to me with the accusation of gang rape I too would be very upset. An accusation like that would follow anyone around for the rest of their life. This hearing will be an asterisk in the annuls of his decisions for the entirety of his sitting.

    As for the victim reporting, they should come forward as soon as possible. This will allow more accurate reporting and allow the soonest possible recourse for the victims.
  5. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from DaveICURN
    I would respectfully disagree. If you come to me with the accusation of gang rape I too would be very upset. An accusation like that would follow anyone around for the rest of their life. This hearing will be an asterisk in the annuls of his decisions for the entirety of his sitting.

    As for the victim reporting, they should come forward as soon as possible. This will allow more accurate reporting and allow the soonest possible recourse for the victims.
    Sure

    Mostly coming forward right away means nothing. The victim's credibility will be questioned from the start and get rape kit will be thrown into the pile of stuff that is not a priority to test or investigate.

    But thanks for stopping by with the stereotypical tone deaf male response.
  6. by   DaveICURN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Sure
    So you would rather these women not come forward with their abuse situations? I'm confused by the narrative your presenting.

    So you have any suggestions to improve the system, or will it be a steryotypical "Tell men not to rape." response?

    Or could we act like adults and not cut each other down based on our sex. The condecensing nature in which you automatically reply to posters who have no previous interaction with you furthers the gap in knowledge and support from all sides.
  7. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from DaveICURN
    So you would rather these women not come forward with their abuse situations? I'm confused by the narrative your presenting.

    So you have any suggestions to improve the system, or will it be a steryotypical "Tell men not to rape." response?

    Or could we act like adults and not cut each other down based on our sex. The condecensing nature in which you automatically reply to posters who have no previous interaction with you furthers the gap in knowledge and support from all sides.
    No, I would rather you realize that your opinion that women should do this or that after they have been assaulted is irrelevant at best and offensive at worst.

    Every time you post in a forum such as this, you are interacting with all of the participants. I will note that you don't appreciate my tone.
  8. by   DaveICURN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    No, I would rather you realize that your opinion that women should do this or that after they have been assaulted is irrelevant at best and offensive at worst.

    Every time you post in a forum such as this, you are interacting with all of the participants. I will note that you don't appreciate my tone.
    Thank you. So yes, to improve the ability to find, judge, and punish these awful people who sexually assault individuals, we need to encourage a safe reporting system. If we encourage everyone who is a victim to report, then proper process can take place. Hotline, Text message based reporting, and giving victims the training and resources to protect themselves.
  9. by   toomuchbaloney
    Encouraging victims to report and expecting that law enforcement will prioritize women's safety and concerns is quite a different thing from a random dude on the Internet stating that women SHOULD do this that or the other thing.

    Men would be better served by addressing the system that disenfranchises female victims than by critiquing the female response.
  10. by   herring_RN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Encouraging victims to report and expecting that law enforcement will prioritize women's safety and concerns is quite a different thing from a random dude on the Internet stating that women SHOULD do this that or the other thing.

    Men would be better served by addressing the system that disenfranchises female victims than by critiquing the female response.
    In 1974 the first in the country Rape Treatment Center (RTC) was started by a hospital social worker and (now) county Supervisor and then UCLA professor Sheila Kuehl.
    Rape Treatment Center | The Rape Foundation | Bringing state-of-the-art, comprehensive care to rape victims and sexually abused children
    (Please read about the treatment, education and legal advocacy in the one page of the above link.)

    Still it was more than two decades before rape victims were no longer questioned in court about irrelevant past sexual encounters or their attire such as a short skirt.
    I personally remember reading court transcripts with a defense attorney claiming that a divorced woman whose attacker followed her home and raped her in her own yard was "Asking for it" by going to a bar.

    Supervisor Kuehl is not only a hero to nurses for authoring and getting passed California's law establishing minimum nurse-to-patient ratios. She has educated the public, law enforcement, and others to prevent sexual assault and help the victims.
    Sheila Kuehl seeks a legislative encore with L.A. supervisor bid - Los Angeles Times
    (Please read a short article about a wonderful person and the first "out" politician I knew of.

    Our other hero and co-founder of the RTC:
    Gail Abarbanel | Do Good LA
    Last edit by herring_RN on Nov 11 : Reason: add another link
  11. by   Persephone Paige
    If they profited in some way while remaining silent, then I suspect them. If they didn't profit and have nothing to gain by speaking up, I don't care when they come forward ( now or later ), they should be heard.

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