What comes to mind when you hear Donald Trump ? - page 29

What do you think of when you hear Donald Trump . For me it's Racist, embarrassment, disgrace and shame. What about you ?... Read More

  1. by   Tweety
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    When I heard of Trump's call to the military what came to mind is that he is shameless. If I'm not mistaken, there are something like 20 military bases in Florida. Why couldn't he visit one? Shameless self interest.
    He's built up the military more than anyone since Raegan and there are rumors of him going to Afghanistan to visit the troops there. He wants to go down in history as the President that ended America's longest war.

    THIS IS AN OPINION PIECE BELOW

    After his politicized Thanksgiving call, maybe Trump should not visit the troops (opinion) - CNN
  2. by   elkpark
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Yes, the mortgage interest deduction and personal exemptions are limited or gone. And still, that didn't matter for most people because they will take the standard deduction instead.

    Just because the states who are filing a lawsuit says the bill was targeted to hurt them, doesn't make it true. It sounds like the suit has no chance, btw.

    Oh brother...there is so much wrong in your article from the Nation, I don't know where to start.

    Funny how you criticize those who post something from a conservative leaning source, and then you go full progressive crazy with The Nation and quotes from Kevin DeLeon.

    No, people whose deduction on mortgage interest is capped are not being double-taxed. I'll have to go more when I have mire time and energy.
    I'll save you some time and effort -- don't bother on my account. You're not going to sell me on the GOP party line.
  3. by   Tweety
    Quote from elkpark
    I'll save you some time and effort -- don't bother on my account. You're not going to sell me on the GOP party line.
    I'm sure no one thinks you're going to buy into the GOP party line, but you shouldn't sweep aside what might actually be the truth just because you don't want to hear it, or that it isn't going to change your political affiliation.

    In my opinion.
  4. by   elkpark
    Quote from Tweety
    I'm sure no one thinks you're going to buy into the GOP party line, but you shouldn't sweep aside what might actually be the truth just because you don't want to hear it, or that it isn't going to change your political affiliation.

    In my opinion.
    I get my news coverage from a variety of sources (although I'll admit that none of them are the far right-wing websites dude seems to favor). I've heard (seen) the GOP talking points on this issue many times, given them due consideration, and decided what I think about the bill. I don't need to hear them again, so no one needs to go to the trouble of posting them again for me.

    I'm sure you mean to also direct your good advice to the conservatives here who automatically dismiss out of hand anything any of the liberals say or post ...
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from elkpark
    I'm sure you mean to also direct your good advice to the conservatives here who automatically dismiss out of hand anything any of the liberals say or post ...
    No, I was directing them at you and I have directed them at others from time to time as well.

    If you know that you're opinion personally will never change and more than like you're not going to change anyone else's opinion why participate? Why make a statement and when they want to refute it do you say "never mind it doesn't matter what you say".

    I will say there has been a time or two that I've said to someone about a particular topic, "never mind posting anything else about this subject it's time to move on" so maybe you've reached that point and want to move on.
  6. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from Tweety
    No, I was directing them at you and I have directed them at others from time to time as well.

    If you know that you're opinion personally will never change and more than like you're not going to change anyone else's opinion why participate? Why make a statement and when they want to refute it do you say "never mind it doesn't matter what you say".

    I will say there has been a time or two that I've said to someone about a particular topic, "never mind posting anything else about this subject it's time to move on" so maybe you've reached that point and want to move on.
    I thought the offered explanation as to why was pretty straight forward and easy to understand.
  7. by   Tweety
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    I thought the offered explanation as to why was pretty straight forward and easy to understand.
    Glad you think so. I do to. It wasn't lack of understanding the offered explanation that's my issue.

    To paraphrase, a poster said "there are flaws in that article that I want to point out when I have more time, but I can't right now", and the answer is "don't bother on my account" I feel that was the mind snapping shut. Personally in these discussions I like to hear the rebuttal as it might contain some truths and correct presumptions that I hold that are wrong. Or at the very least I can offer my own rebuttal and opinions.

    We're so quick to ask this poster "what's your source" "do you have any back up for those claims" but when he says he does and will post them later, it's "don't bother on my account".

    *shrugs shoulders*

    I'm willing to drop the issue now I've said what I cared to say.

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