What comes to mind when you hear Donald Trump ? - page 15

What do you think of when you hear Donald Trump . For me it's Racist, embarrassment, disgrace and shame. What about you ?... Read More

  1. by   Tweety
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    I believe we already have a process in place for those who are not asylum seekers, but who are looking for a better life. I don't think showing up at the border expecting to be let in front of others who are abiding by our immigration laws is right.
    I agree with you. Most Democrats actually agree with you. We do not want open borders despite what our President would like us to believe. People should not be able just to walk on in whenever they feel like it.

    I got a flyer that said our Democratic candidate supported open borders and welfare for illegal immigrants which is a total lie. Name me one democrat that supports and open border where people can just walk right on in the country and get welfare.
  2. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from MunoRN
    I'm not sure why it would be different than how we handle the around 20,000 asylum seekers we deal with every year, which is that they go before an immigration judge to make their claim for asylum under international and US law (more than half of those asylum requests are denied).

    One thing I agree with Trump on is that we should focus more on dealing with the reasons why humanitarian refugees exist than finding a home for them here. In Syria for instance, there's nothing that makes Syria inhabitable, it's a relatively small group of people in power that are the problem, so it makes more sense to fix that.

    In the case of 'northern triangle' central American countries however, which is where the people in the 'caravan' are mainly from, we don't have much room to claim 'not our problem' since the humanitarian issues these people are fleeing are mostly if not completely the result of US actions.
    We could handle the asylum seekers the same as we already do. The problem I see with that is that the resources to handle that process for 20,000 a year is already taxed, and no something between 4000 and 7000 is headed here at once. And, reportedly another group started out today. Of course, it remains to be seen how many actually get to the birder.
  3. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from Tweety
    I agree with you. Most Democrats actually agree with you. We do not want open borders despite what our President would like us to believe. People should not be able just to walk on in whenever they feel like it.

    I got a flyer that said our Democratic candidate supported open borders and welfare for illegal immigrants which is a total lie. Name me one democrat that supports and open border where people can just walk right on in the country and get welfare.
    Andy Barr is spreading the same lie about Amy McGrath.

    It is a typical Republican lie, used to stoke the fears of White America.
  4. by   GrumpyRN
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Saying we are sending our military to fight unarmed women and children isn't showing common sense.
    I didn't say that, I said unarmed civilians most of whom are women and children.

    What is it when the US is sending 5000 troops to the border?
  5. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    We could handle the asylum seekers the same as we already do. The problem I see with that is that the resources to handle that process for 20,000 a year is already taxed, and no something between 4000 and 7000 is headed here at once. And, reportedly another group started out today. Of course, it remains to be seen how many actually get to the birder.
    Yes, immigration judges have ridiculously high case loads.

    Trump administration has repeatedly been asked to increase their numbers, but has refused to do so.
  6. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from GrumpyRN
    I didn't say that, I said unarmed civilians most of whom are women and children.

    What is it when the US is sending 5000 troops to the border?
    Troops that are trained for warfare.
  7. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from Lil Nel
    I disagree with you.
    Perhaps you and Grumpy can work together to find a somewhat reputable source that indicates the caravan is mostly women or children like Grumpy claims?
  8. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Perhaps you and Grumpy can work together to find a somewhat reputable source that indicates the caravan is mostly women or children like Grumpy claims?
    I have already posted a comment regarding my knowledge of the caravan.

    Look it up.
  9. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from GrumpyRN
    I didn't say that, I said unarmed civilians most of whom are women and children.

    What is it when the US is sending 5000 troops to the border?
    Well, let me give this common sense thing a try.

    Troops are being sent as a deterrent. Like what most of our military assets are used as.

    And, if a large caravan does make it to the border, they'll be used to keep the peace and to keep people from crossing illegally.
  10. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Well, let me give this common sense thing a try.

    Troops are being sent as a deterrent. Like what most of our military assets are used as.

    And, if a large caravan does make it to the border, they'll be used to keep the peace and to keep people from crossing illegally.
    US Customs and Border Patrol already have that job.

    And some 2,000 National Guard troops were deployed to southern border over the summer.

    Why the need for thousands of highly trained, and heavily armed military soldiers?

    They are trained for warfare, like in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  11. by   toomuchbaloney
    Perhaps use of the military is a continuation of Trump's con relative to this band of refugees. There must be a reason that the Liar in Chief keeps referring to them as an invasion.
    People seeking asylum are not breaking our laws by making their way to our borders. Why are Trump supporters so worried about this sad group of people that they cheer the posturing of the most powerful military in the planet against them?

    This is all a sham, a con.
  12. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Perhaps use of the military is a continuation of Trump's con relative to this band of refugees. There must be a reason that the Liar in Chief keeps referring to them as an invasion.
    People seeking asylum are not breaking our laws by making their way to our borders. Why are Trump supporters so worried about this sad group of people that they cheer the posturing of the most powerful military in the planet against them?

    This is all a sham, a con.
    Trump and Minions use the term "invasion" because it is the language of White Nationalists.

    Read the language used by synagogue shooter. It matches Trump's rhetoric.

    The term is a very loud dog whistle.
  13. by   MunoRN
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    We could handle the asylum seekers the same as we already do. The problem I see with that is that the resources to handle that process for 20,000 a year is already taxed, and no something between 4000 and 7000 is headed here at once. And, reportedly another group started out today. Of course, it remains to be seen how many actually get to the birder.
    While the system is normally 'taxed', it's currently far more taxed than normal because the Trump administration has decided to pursue deportations through criminal rather than civil proceedings, which costs far more and takes much longer to deport the same number of immigrants, which is why deportations are down significantly under Trump.

    The number of asylum seekers from central American is actually consistent with year to year increases, and they've been travelling in groups (caravans) for many years now, as there's safety in numbers.

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