The President Donald Trump Thread - page 272

I thought I would create a thread where we can talk about what he's currently up to. No particular topic but one that's ongoing with what he's doing and saying. I'll start with this speech on... Read More

  1. by   Daisy4RN
    Quote from macawake
    Making a point of reading every single conspiracy theory site available on the internet and looking to extreme-right OR extreme-LEFT media sources is not a good way to stay informed, about anything other than that there is a lot of crap to be found on the internet.

    Personally, I try hard to stay away from sites on EITHER extreme end of the spectrum, when an easy fact-check of those sites clearly show that they are deficient in the veracity and accuracy departments.



    American Digital News - Media Bias/Fact Check

    Oh, Daisy....

    A tin foil hat rating.


    According to the link I've posted above you can find "information" like this:

    * Promotes the Seth Rich murder CONSPIRACY...

    * Mind control.... New World Order....

    * Judge Scalia murdered by Democrats to create a Supreme Court vacancy...

    But I'm sure they're right about Director Brennan...

    Daisy, why do you continue to link to these kind of sources? These aren't news outlets with a slight or even pronounced conservative inclination. They are way, way out there.



    It's not as much what I think, as what can be objectively observed. Don't you see how seriously linking to conspiracy sites, damages your credibility?



    I don't know you better than you do. What I'm telling you is that based on the things you post, you don't give the impression of being an independent or as someone who ever questions anything Trump says and does, in any substantive way.

    If you feel it's important that we perceive you as an independent and a person who is open to absorbing information from "both sides", have you given any thought to why hardly anyone here interprets you the same way as you view yourself?



    The fact that you think so makes me suspect that my QED didn't quite have the desired effect







    Well Daisy, I've included the part of your response that you omitted when you replied to BCgradnurse just now (and I've bolded a part of it):



    Don't you see that your inability to refrain from adding a "but", changes how people interpret what you seem to regard as you clearly stating your disapproval.

    What is it with this seemingly irresistable urge you have to add some sort of mitigating factor, after you've offered even the mildest form of rebuke regarding his behavior?

    You did the EXACT same thing with the Gold Star parents. Sure, saying what he did wasn't really nice.... BUT (!!) the parents kind of had it coming since they'd criticised him... Right?

    The effect of all this is, whether you intend for it to be or not, is that I don't for one minute believe that you object to this man's crude, cruel and divise rhetoric even a tenth as much as I do. I simply don't believe you.

    There is such a discrepancy between how I think you want me (or us) to perceive you, and how I actually do perceive you.

    Of course it's possible that I'm simply really bad at reading people. The other possibility is that you're not sending the signals that you think you are or wish you were (whichever applies).
    It doesn't really matter to me how you perceive me or what you think of me personally. I am just trying to have a conversation that gives a different point of view but it is clear that you all have your minds already set and (in my opinion) don't like to hear any other. I could also go through any news/media site and find "tin foil hat" ratings and pieces, but then again who is the one doing the rating. I guess it just makes it easier for you to dismiss the info... And yes, I have considered the fact that a few of you here never consider any of my opinions but do you ever consider the fact that half of the US voted for Trump instead of Hillary for a reason even though they knew how he acted etc. People were willing to overlook the crude obnoxious behaviors for a reason. Maybe asks yourselves why.
  2. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from Daisy4RN
    It doesn't really matter to me how you perceive me or what you think of me personally. I am just trying to have a conversation that gives a different point of view but it is clear that you all have your minds already set and (in my opinion) don't like to hear any other. I could also go through any news/media site and find "tin foil hat" ratings and pieces, but then again who is the one doing the rating. I guess it just makes it easier for you to dismiss the info... And yes, I have considered the fact that a few of you here never consider any of my opinions but do you ever consider the fact that half of the US voted for Trump instead of Hillary for a reason even though they knew how he acted etc. People were willing to overlook the crude obnoxious behaviors for a reason. Maybe asks yourselves why.
    Why are you willing to overlook the crude, obnoxious behaviors? What do you see in him that allows you to rationalize his behavior? Would you accept this same behavior from your spouse, your boss, or any other President in history?
  3. by   nursej22
    Quote from Daisy4RN
    Maybe it would be better to comment on the links I provided instead of making personal "assumptions". Maybe it would be better for the country to have a conversation instead of calling people deplorable and irredeemable. Maybe if the Democrats had a better candidate that Hillary, Trump would not have won in the first place.
    I will comment on your links. They are 2 blog posts made by the same person, or perhaps they are the same post on 2 different sites. The person who this blog articles is a financial counselor.

    I think this is a case of confirmation bias.

    Yes, hate is a very strong word, and I don't use it lightly. But I do direct it at someone who has bragged about sexual assault, a known racist, and condones ripping children from the arms of their parents with no plan to reunite them. Not to mention ripping up the Paris Accord, Iran treaty, alienating allies, strutting about with strongman dictators, and golfing all the d*** time. Oh, and don't forget inviting Russians and their photographers into the Oval Office and revealing top secret info.
  4. by   macawake
    Quote from Daisy4RN
    People were willing to overlook the crude obnoxious behaviors for a reason. Maybe asks yourselves why.
    You really, really don't want me to answer that question. I have given it a lot of thought and if I were to share my conclusion, that would easily qualify as the most scathing and hurtful post I've ever made here on AN.

    If I thought it had even a small chance of accomplishing something good I'd share it, but I don't believe in being cruel when it serves no purpose, just because the opportunity exists.
  5. by   Lil Nel
    Wow. Even some Republicans are speaking out against Trump's latest, Putin-like move.

    From the NY Times, Republican Senator Bob Corker, of TN, who is Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee said the president's move "was a banana republic kind of thing," that was inappropriate and vindictive.

    Someone from the George W. Bush WH, is quoted in the same article, speaking out against the move.

    I implore Daisy to actually read the words Trump used for justifying taking such an unprecedented action.

    He blamed Brennan for the Mueller investigation, and said, "something had to be done."

    Alarm bells should ring throughout the land over those words.

    More and more, Trump is behaving like a guilty, caged, I don't know what.

    But thank goodness, he has True Believers like Daisy to defend his deplorable actions!

    Such True Believers will give him cover no matter what!
  6. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from macawake
    You really, really don't want me to answer that question. I have given it a lot of thought and if I were to share my conclusion, that would easily qualify as the most scathing and hurtful post I've ever made here on AN.

    If I thought it had even a small chance of accomplishing something good I'd share it, but I don't believe in being cruel when it serves no purpose, just because the opportunity exists.
    To put it in very general terms, people were conned. They may be gullible, desperate, or unable to discern fact from fiction. They may also be people who believe that being white and male gives them special status. They may be racist, think women should submit to men, or think Christianity in any form makes them superior. I myself do not understand how intelligent, thoughtful people can support him and his values.
  7. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from Daisy4RN
    It doesn't really matter to me how you perceive me or what you think of me personally. I am just trying to have a conversation that gives a different point of view but it is clear that you all have your minds already set and (in my opinion) don't like to hear any other. I could also go through any news/media site and find "tin foil hat" ratings and pieces, but then again who is the one doing the rating. I guess it just makes it easier for you to dismiss the info... And yes, I have considered the fact that a few of you here never consider any of my opinions but do you ever consider the fact that half of the US voted for Trump instead of Hillary for a reason even though they knew how he acted etc. People were willing to overlook the crude obnoxious behaviors for a reason. Maybe asks yourselves why.
    I have asked myself why, and have read, and heard a number of interviews with Trump voters, hence, my comments, Daisy.

    What is your point?

    People have supported deplorable regimes throughout history, when it serves their narrow interests.

    Again, what is your point?

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