The Caravan

  1. "I think what we have seen is we've seen clearly an organization at a higher level than we've seen before. We've seen violence coming out of the caravan and we've seen as they've passed other international borders, we've seen them behave in a nature that has not been what we've seen in the past. So I think we'll see further understanding and -- and discussion of this from CBP." -General O'Shaughnessy, Commander of U.S. Northern Command

    General O'Shaughnessy, Commander of U.S. Northern Command, Press Gaggle > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Transcript View
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  3. by   herring_RN
    Is this true?
    Pro-migration firebrand who started the migrant caravan: Honduran radio host encouraged people to band together for safety... now there is 14,000 of them
    Bartolo Fuentes, a Honduran radio host, tried to help a few dozen people migrate
    But TV news falsely reported that he was willing to pay for anyone heading north
    That caused migrant caravan to swell from 200 people to several thousand
    There are now thought to be a total of 14,000 people in at least three separate groups trying to make the journey to the US...
    Honduran radio host revealed as the man behind the migrant caravan | Daily Mail Online
  4. by   herring_RN
    Voices From the Caravan: Why These Honduran Migrants Are Heading North
    The caravan's participants are making the journey for several reasons.
    Some say they are fleeing gangs that terrorize their neighborhoods and are seeking sanctuary in Mexico or the United States.
    Others are in search of work and more stability for their families.

    Fanny Rodríguez, 21, Santa Barbara, Honduras
    "We're traveling to find a better future for my daughters," said Fanny Rodríguez, who was with her husband, Edil Moscoso, 26, and their two daughters Daily Edith, 2, and Yarice, 9 months old. "We're not going because we want fancy things."
    She added: "I don't have to give them luxuries, only what's necessary - that my daughters don't lack food, that my daughters don't lack clothes. Things like that."...
    Voices From the Caravan: Why These Honduran Migrants Are Heading North - The New York Times

  5. by   SC_RNDude
    Yep, just law-abiding people, mostly woman and children, looking for a better life.

    Mexican Police Block New Migrant Caravan From Guatemala | Time

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...empted-murder/
  6. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from herring_RN
    Is this true?

    I've heard that. He denies he was any kind of leader.

    The Guatemalan Secretary of Intel he claims he has knowledge of leftists funding or organizating. This guy fits the bill.
  7. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from herring_RN
    Voices From the Caravan: Why These Honduran Migrants Are Heading North
    The caravan's participants are making the journey for several reasons.
    Some say they are fleeing gangs that terrorize their neighborhoods and are seeking sanctuary in Mexico or the United States.
    Others are in search of work and more stability for their families.

    Fanny Rodríguez, 21, Santa Barbara, Honduras
    "We're traveling to find a better future for my daughters," said Fanny Rodríguez, who was with her husband, Edil Moscoso, 26, and their two daughters Daily Edith, 2, and Yarice, 9 months old. "We're not going because we want fancy things."
    She added: "I don't have to give them luxuries, only what's necessary - that my daughters don't lack food, that my daughters don't lack clothes. Things like that."...
    Voices From the Caravan: Why These Honduran Migrants Are Heading North - The New York Times

    The "looking for a better life" crowd should get in line behind the others in that category. They don't qualify for asylum. Who gave them the horrible, could be catastrophic considering the dangers of the trek, advice to go on this journey?
  8. by   MunoRN
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    The "looking for a better life" crowd should get in line behind the others in that category. They don't qualify for asylum. Who gave them the horrible, could be catastrophic considering the dangers of the trek, advice to go on this journey?
    I agree that there is likely a large portion of the 'caravan' that doesn't qualify under asylum status, in which case they won't be granted entrance to the US, so why are we so freaked out by them?
  9. by   Tweety
    Best to say they are criminals "invading" America. If America is under "invasion" then the President has powers on his own.

    What is 'habeas corpus' and can President Trump suspend it to arrest caravan migrants? - abcactionnews.com WFTS-TV. I can't help but think that with all these troops, equipment and air power the White House is thinking something. Maybe they just want to show some power and discourage future caravans, but I'm afraid for this one.

    It's easy to spin a negative light and surely there are some bad seeds, but it's not like this is an invading Army out to destroy America.

    The states on the border don't seem to be sounding an alarm. But there was some people in Iowa that were having a big issue with this being interviewed, sorry I don't remember the station or have a link, as if it's the most important issue we are facing as a nation....stopping evil illegal immigrants. They are loving Trump's stance.

    In Iowa this is a big deal.

    In Iowa.

    In the meantime white people are shooting up people. *Shaking my head*
  10. by   BCgradnurse
    Honestly, I think this is a big publicity stunt for Trump and Co. to beat their chests and show how "tough" they are on immigration. They're showboating before midterms and playing to their base. Demonizing other human beings. Fear mongering.

    Those seeking asylum should be listened to and helped. Those seeking a "better life" should be going through proper immigration procedure. I don't think we should fling our doors wide open and let everyone in, but I also don't think we need to meet them with an army at the border.

    I am far more concerned about American citizens who are causing so much harm to this country. You know, the angry white male home grown shooters that keep popping up. What are Trump and Co. doing about that besides sending thoughts and prayers?
  11. by   elkpark
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    I am far more concerned about American citizens who are causing so much harm to this country. You know, the angry white male home grown shooters that keep popping up. What are Trump and Co. doing about that besides sending thoughts and prayers?
    What are Trump and Co. doing? They are encouraging and emboldening them with the hateful, bigoted rhetoric now so common within the GOP.
  12. by   GrumpyRN
    From thread on What Do you think etc....

    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Perhaps you and Grumpy can work together to find a somewhat reputable source that indicates the caravan is mostly women or children like Grumpy claims?
    I get my news from the BBC, and despite Donald Trumps assertion that it is fake news it is governed by law in the UK to be fair and does not have any advertisers, sponsors etc, to keep happy.


    I am going to repeat my question here; why do you need 5000 battle ready troops to deal with civilians?

    America has a poor record of troops dealing with civilians - sorry to bring this up, but Kent State? My Lai?

    If civilians are shot America will no longer be seen as a civilised nation.

    Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees | World news | The Guardian
    This was 3 years ago, do you really want similar types of photos in the US?
  13. by   SC_RNDude
    We all have differing views on how big a problem illegal immigration is. A 5000 US troops in addition to is already there will hopefully prove out to be way more than what was necessary.

    However, consider what happens if these caravans get to the border in the present numbers or if they swell in number, and we haven't sent in additional resources to manage it. Our resources to process them as asylum seekers may be overwhelmed, including where to house them, and likely a certain number of the migrants are going to be unruly and some will make attempts at illegally crossing. In other words, a s***show at the border is a likely possibility. Likely at some point in the future, a illegal immigrant somewhere will commit a crime and it will come out he was in the caravan.

    If this happens, Trump is going to get hit from both Democrats and his supporters. After all, he knew for several weeks/months this was coming, and we were unprepared when it happened.

    It seems Democrats have been eerily quiet. IMHO, they are waiting to see what happens and then play Monday morning quarterback.

    From a political perspective, Trump really has no choice but to do something big.

    As far as the posts on white people shooting up people, what does that have to do with this is beyond me. I think there is another thread on that. You can also talk about the gun laws in Chicago where 45 were shot over the weekend. Presumably, not all by or at white people.
    Last edit by SC_RNDude on Oct 31 : Reason: Hate spellcheck
  14. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from GrumpyRN
    From thread on What Do you think etc....



    I get my news from the BBC, and despite Donald Trumps assertion that it is fake news it is governed by law in the UK to be fair and does not have any advertisers, sponsors etc, to keep happy.


    I am going to repeat my question here; why do you need 5000 battle ready troops to deal with civilians?

    America has a poor record of troops dealing with civilians - sorry to bring this up, but Kent State? My Lai?

    If civilians are shot America will no longer be seen as a civilised nation.

    Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees | World news | The Guardian
    This was 3 years ago, do you really want similar types of photos in the US?
    I'm waiting for your source from the BBC that claims the caravan is mostly women and children.

    Why are you repeating your question. The troops are there as a deterrent, a resource to manage people, and to keep the peace and protect the border.

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