The Caravan - page 4

"I think what we have seen is we've seen clearly an organization at a higher level than we've seen before. We've seen violence coming out of the caravan and we've seen as they've passed other... Read More

  1. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from GrumpyRN
    Are you being deliberately dense? Or are you just trying desperately to convince yourself that if 50% are women and girls then the rest must all be full grown fighting men - with no male children at all?

    I did not say the military were "being sent to wage battle," I said and I quote, "For a start you don't send the military to fight unarmed civilians most of whom are women and children."
    The British army tried to have a peacekeeping role in Northern Ireland in the last part of the 20th century - ended up with a lot of dead people on both sides.

    Seriously Dude I have tried to have a conversation with you but you keep trying to bog everything down in minutiae because in one post I said mainly when I stated later I should have said largely. Also I have told you BBC

    Unless you change your tack I am going to have to get out of this because I can only say the same things so many times.
    Definition of insanity - saying the same things over and over expecting different results.
    I guess I'm dense... where are you getting your 50% from?
  2. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    I guess I'm dense... where are you getting your 50% from?
    I see now...in Elkparks post. I skimmed over her post. I didn't realize Grumpy relied on Vox as source.

    Interestingly, a LA Times article from about the same time as the Vox story says the caravan was about 7000, and included hundreds of women and children.
  3. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from nursej22
    This article from Reuters reports that the actual number of people in the caravan is unknown, some have already returned to their home, some have accepted asylum in Mexico.

    Central American caravan moves on in spite of Mexico jobs offer | Reuters

    But the president is ordering thousands of troops to do who knows what, to the southern border, for people who may arrive in a month or more. Not only will the president not visit troops in combat zones as past presidents have, but he is going to assure more families will be away for Thanksgiving and possible December holidays.

    Nice work.
    It's not a combat zone, and how do you know he won't visit?

    I believe those in acutive duty realize they will not be home for holidays often. It's part if the gig.

    I do remember when hundreds of secret service agents, WH personnel, reporters, etc. had to leave their homes over the holidays to travel to Hawaii with the Obama's every year.
  4. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Pedantic and trivial arguments are the best that is available to support this hysteria over a band of brown people fleeing their violent homelands.

    Isn't it interesting that the people advocating for 5000+ military to the border don't have to provide evidence that the caravan is populated by an invasion force? They just accept that call to fear.
    So, you disagree with General O'Shaughnessy's assessment of the caravan?
  5. by   toomuchbaloney
    5200 military to the border, many of them armed
    7000 more on standby.

    It should give every patriot a dry mouthed moment of pause that an emotionally and intellectually unfit authoritarian is gathering the military, just before an important election, under a false narrative, while fanning flames of division, fear and hate.

    Remember that Trump has warned us of violence in the streets following this election.
  6. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    5200 military to the border, many of them armed
    7000 more on standby.

    It should give every patriot a dry mouthed moment of pause that an emotionally and intellectually unfit authoritarian is gathering the military, just before an important election, under a false narrative, while fanning flames of division, fear and hate.

    Remember that Trump has warned us of violence in the streets following this election.
    Not to mention the cost.

    You know how those conservatives hate to part with money. You would think they would object to the use of the military in this way on fiscal grounds.

    I am having fun with this because it is so ludicrous, and such an obvious ploy.

    Imagine, an invading army of mothers, fathers and grandparents armed with babies!

    LOL!
  7. by   nursej22
    From MilitaryTimes:Why doesn’t Trump visit troops fighting overseas?

    "I will do that at some point, but I don't think it's overly necessary," Trump said. "I've been very busy with everything that's taking place here ... I'm doing a lot of things. But it's something I'd do. And do gladly."

    The president himself has said he is very busy (executive time?). He did have time to fly to North Korea for what was essentially a photo op.

    Golly, I've been to Hawaii at Christmas, it's pretty swell. I've not been to the southern border, but the photos make it look pretty grim. I read an article in the Wall Street Journal (not linking because of the pay wall) that estimates they will be deployed until Mid December.
  8. by   Tweety
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    So, you disagree with General O'Shaughnessy's assessment of the caravan?
    He's following orders to harden the border and telling us what he's doing. I watched Fox News (side by side the most disturbing videos of the immigrants they can find) and he really didn't seem to "give an assessment of the caravan". He said what he was doing, and basically that's following orders to secure the border and keep people from entering illegally.

    He made no mention of them being a danger, a national emergency, or an "invasion" but maybe I didn't watch long enough. There's only so much of Fox News I can take.

    I will say this makes all those looking for "secure borders" very good a week before the election and those whom are falsely accused of wanting "open borders" bad.

    Good job Trump.
  9. by   nursej22
    Now he's telling reporters he may send 15,000 troops. That would surpass the number of troops in Afghanistan. Yup, more troops to defend against migrants who are plan to walk across a dessert, than to defend an actual war zone.

    He's " like really smart. A very stable genius."
  10. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from nursej22
    Now he's telling reporters he may send 15,000 troops. That would surpass the number of troops in Afghanistan. Yup, more troops to defend against migrants who are plan to walk across a dessert, than to defend an actual war zone.

    He's " like really smart. A very stable genius."
    I heard that too, and would agree that sounds excessive.
  11. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from Tweety
    He's following orders to harden the border and telling us what he's doing. I watched Fox News (side by side the most disturbing videos of the immigrants they can find) and he really didn't seem to "give an assessment of the caravan". He said what he was doing, and basically that's following orders to secure the border and keep people from entering illegally.

    He made no mention of them being a danger, a national emergency, or an "invasion" but maybe I didn't watch long enough. There's only so much of Fox News I can take.

    I will say this makes all those looking for "secure borders" very good a week before the election and those whom are falsely accused of wanting "open borders" bad.

    Good job Trump.
    Did you read his quote in the post that started this thread?
  12. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from nursej22
    From MilitaryTimes:Why doesn't Trump visit troops fighting overseas?

    "I will do that at some point, but I don't think it's overly necessary," Trump said. "I've been very busy with everything that's taking place here ... I'm doing a lot of things. But it's something I'd do. And do gladly."

    The president himself has said he is very busy (executive time?). He did have time to fly to North Korea for what was essentially a photo op.

    Golly, I've been to Hawaii at Christmas, it's pretty swell. I've not been to the southern border, but the photos make it look pretty grim. I read an article in the Wall Street Journal (not linking because of the pay wall) that estimates they will be deployed until Mid December.
    He should go and visit troops overseas to show appreciation for the job they are doing.

    As for Hawaii st Christmas, I'm sure you were there with family and friends. If your job was sending you there for work over the holidays,you probably wouldn't be as thrilled.
  13. by   MunoRN
    Trump stated at a rally today that "illegal immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States", which means they are free to break federal laws at will and cannot be stopped or punished for it, so I'm not sure what the purpose of the military presence at the border is. It also means we can no longer deport illegal immigrants since illegal immigrants are deported under the jurisdiction of the federal government.

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