Texas Loses Women's Health Care - page 5

The Department of Health and Human Services announced on Thursday that it will cut off all Medicaid funding for family planning to the state of Texas, following Gov. Rick Perry's (R) decision to... Read More

  1. by   azhiker96
    Quote from mazy
    the difference is that pp serves low-income women.

    the other clinics that accept medicaid also serve low-income women.

    a woman with insurance who goes to a private practice doctor is just as able to access abortion services. if you have insurance you need to understand that the doctor you are seeing, that your insurance dollars are paying for, either performs abortions or refers women to abortion providers.

    pp does not provide free abortions. the do not dedicate federal moneys to abortion services. women who get abortions at pp have to pay out of pocket, the same as any women seeking an abortion in the private sector.

    but again we have come full circle back to the issue of abortion.

    correct, that is the root of the issue.

    and i can see from your posts that you are a man, and that you are now on your second wife.

    i am male but i'm on my third wife although that's neither here nor there.

    so i don't understand how you could think that you have the right to tell any woman that they do not have the right to basic healthcare.

    i don't think that you or i have the right to tell anyone they cannot have healthcare. i don't think you'll find that anywhere in my posts. i support contraception being available although i'm not big on hormone therapy because of it's effects on the environment. better water treatment might be able to mitigate those effects though. personally i think the feds should provide free tubal ligations to anyone who desires it but that's another topic entirely.

    what i think happened is texas decided to dare the feds to cut funding by dealing pp out of the game. the feds called them on it and cut off funds which is apparently not what they did in other states. politics figures heavily into it. why would they care about texas unless it's either the size of the state or the governor?

    if pp wanted to defang the beast it could split into two separate organizations. one would provide abortion services. the other would provide all other manner of women's health care. in arizona they actually stopped doing abortions at some of their facilities so they could continue offering other services to women in need. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/local-press-releases/new-abortion-restrictions-arizona-women-have-fewer-health-care-options-37728.htm

    tw sharpeimom, i am surprised. i thought you would be above purposely mistyping someone's handle. it doesn't really add to the discussion. also, i don't think anyone here has said that pp only offers birth control and abortion services. they certainly offer much more than that but the other services are not the reason why texas de-funded pp as evidenced by other providers of women's health and screening services who were not de-funded.
    Last edit by azhiker96 on Mar 28, '12
  2. by   azhiker96
    Quote from heron
    In other words, eliminating PP as a provider of women's health services will do nothing to change the number of abortions they do provide, since that part of the business is private pay, anyhow.
    I agree with you on this. I also believe that PP does a ton of good. From their 2009-2010 annual report; STI/STD testing and treatment 38%, contraception 33.5%, cancer screening and prevention 14.5%, other women's health services 10.4%, abortion services 3%, other services 0.6%. Apparently the 3% slice of services is important enough that it's all or nothing in the Lone Star state.

    Last edit by azhiker96 on Mar 28, '12 : Reason: adding link
  3. by   TopazLover
    Thank you for the link. It is the national annual report. I had hoped to see the Texas one,if there is such a thing. It looks like PP has separate entities by area in TX.

    I wonder what is included in abortion services. Is it pre counseling, post counseling as well as procedure itself? I could not find definitions.
  4. by   sharpeimom
  5. by   mazy
    Abortion is not the issue. Women's health care is the issue. Abortion is a diversion that keeps getting thrown up to distract us from the real issue, which is for women to have access to healthcare services, and to carry the line of thought further, for women to have some control over their bodies, which leads us into an uncomfortable conversation about women having control over their own sexuality.

    Because somehow, from the way this dialogue has developed in this country, sex is tied so inextricably to their women's healthcare choices that it does not seem possible to have a conversation about women's health without getting sucked in to a debate about women having sex.

    So again. The conversation is about women's health, not their sexual choices and behavior.

    And as someone mentioned upthread, all you have to do is listen to the conservative rhetoric, and Limbaugh especially, with his condoned rant against sl**ts and their ability to obtain their sex pills, to know that this goes much further than abortion. It is about women and sex.

    I don't think federally funded tubal ligations are the answer to a very interesting and quaint question; I doubt that such a plan would be supported by anyone, given that it is costly, and because most sexually active women do not want to be sterilized in order to have a sexually active lifestyle.

    PP is a national organization and it is easier to go after a national organization than to start going after individual public health clinics, which are owned and operated independent of any large umbrella organization, although some are connected to hospitals.

    It would be interesting to see how this defunding would be handled if it were to extend to a hospital; I have a feeling it would be nipped in the bud, though.
  6. by   sharpeimom
    i usually try to avoid discussing hot button topics such as abortion on bb such as allnurses, but i will make an exception
    in this case. i feel abortion must remain a legal option but not for the usual reasons. leaving aside, for a moment, the
    customary "woman's right to control her body and what happens to it" argument (which i firmly believe in) i want to
    approach the discussion from another angle.

    when my parents were law students, my mom got pregnant despite using regular birth control. inconvenient yes.
    insurmountable? no. in her third month, she miscarried the baby. however, she had conceived twins and one baby
    survived. my mom developed an infection which nearly killed her. none of the hospitals in that large city would do
    what the specialist said must be done to save my 24 year old mom's life, because it was considered to be an abortion
    and not a d&c.

    that was in the middle 1940's when there weren't a great many antibiotics as there are today. she was allergic to sulfa
    ans there was no penicillin to be had. solution suggested by the ob/gyn? a back street abortion. it really was her only
    chance to stay alive.

    she had the procedure, which was done by a 4th year med student and nearly bled to death afterward. there needs to be
    a safe way for abortions to be done. abortions are not just another form of birth control, but it must remain a safe
    and legal choice.
  7. by   TopazLover
    How terrible for your mother and the rest of the family. Thank you for sharing such a personal story. I am sure there are lots more out there but I am also sure it became one of the family secrets that were taken to the grave with terrible feelings of shame. How wonderful that in your family it was not a sick secret. As they say in AA it is our secrets that keep us sick.
  8. by   herring_RN
    for some life experience turns "black and white" to gray.
    abortion bill hit home for state rep. ron stephens

    stephens is one of 17 house republicans the peach tea party scolded on monday for failing to vote to reduce from 26 weeks to 20 the period when a woman could end a pregnancy.

    but few members of the brunswick-based group likely have had to walk in the savannah lawmaker's shoes-or those of his daughter, ashlin.

    if the measure were law a few years ago, stephens says, she would have had to carry to term a baby that would have lived only seconds after birth. ...

    abortion bill hit home for state rep. ron stephens | savannahnow.com
  9. by   tewdles
    The Texas governor was obviously making a political point at the expense of the women in his state. How unfortunate. We need to make certain that this type of political positioning is NOT residing in the WH. Please consider that our current Republican front runner has promised to defund PP on a federal level.

    It is true that American women do not vote on one issue only. Unfortunately for those politicians who prefer to promote their personal moral and religious beliefs regarding sexuality, birth control, and access to legal procedures needed or desired by WOMEN only, this is a really big issue with many facets that WILL affect their voting behavior.
    Last edit by tewdles on Apr 6, '12 : Reason: spelling
  10. by   sharpeimom
  11. by   TopazLover
    Texas Planned Parenthood Defunding Halted By Federal Judge

    U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel ruled that the law was unconstitutional because it bars eight Planned Parenthood clinics that don't provide abortions from participating in the program based on their affiliation with legally and financially separate entities that offer abortions.

    Yeakel also cited the fact that the Department of Health and Human Services cut off all Medicaid funding for family planning to Texas because of the new law, which could jeopardize the entire program.
    "The court is particularly influenced by the potential for immediate loss of access to necessary medical services by several thousand Texas women," Yeakel wrote in his ruling. "The record before the court at this juncture reflects uncertainty as to the continued viability of the Texas Women's Health Program."

    So for the moment women can get funding help in Texas to plan pregnancies better.
  12. by   TopazLover
    In State Records, Little Evidence to Back Abortion Law | The Texas Tribune
    But a Texas Tribune review of state inspection records for 36 abortion clinics from the year preceding the lawmakers’ vote turned up little evidence to suggest the facilities were putting patients in imminent danger. State auditors identified 19 regulatory violations that they said presented a risk to patient safety at six abortion clinics that are not ambulatory surgical centers in Texas. None was severe enough to warrant financial penalties, according to the Department of State Health Services, which deemed the facilities’ corrective action plans sufficient to protect patients.
    And between 2008 and 2013, the Texas Medical Board, which regulates the state’s physicians, took action against just three doctors who performed abortions — all of them for administrative infractions that did not involve criminal practices or late-term abortions.

    Is anyone surprised that they lied?