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  1. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from MunoRN
    I don't know where you're getting that Russian interference in the election was never part of the investigation, that's actually already been specifically pointed out to you in previous threads.

    As for collusion between Trump staff and Russia, it's been established that the Trump campaign openly pursued cooperation with Russia, and there are a number of questions relating to that, the answers to which have yet to be revealed by the investigation.
    I didn't ever say it wasn't part of the investigation. I'm pointing out that NOW it is being reported that Russian interference was the main point, that they proved, when it wasn't - it started as "Trump colluded with Russia", as the main part of the investigation.

    They are saying, "told you so", when that wasn't what the MSM/left were trying to prove. What they were trying to prove was the Trump colluded with Russia, when he didn't. Now that they have "proof" of Russian interference, that isn't anything new, people act like it's against Trump, that Trump was/is trying to hide. Trump never tried to hide that there was interference, only conclude that he didn't collude, hence the hoax bit.

    Openly pursued cooperation with Russia? Or Russians? There's a difference.

    Answers to questions that have no basis being asked. There is nothing to show Trump, himself did anything to warrant an investigation. Perhaps it would be wiser to specifically point out the accusers you are accusing and not blanket the Trump campaign as a whole, because they aren't the only people who have had conversations with foreign nationals. But we can only hope people are so smart.
  2. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from herring_RN
    What is the President of the United States doing to protect OUR democratic elections?
    Well, for one, we are going to build a great, magnificent wall, to deter illegal aliens from interfering in our elections. We will instate a tougher vetting process for those coming into the U.S. We will enact voter ID laws, so that only citizens of each county are voting, once. The GEOTUS is doing a lot to protect the U.S. elections.

    But I'm willing to bet you don't support any of those efforts.
  3. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from elkpark
    It doesn't change the narrative, either
    Right... The narrative that Trump colluded with Russia?
  4. by   nursej22
    Quote from itsybitsy
    Well, for one, we are going to build a great, magnificent wall, to deter illegal aliens from interfering in our elections. We will instate a tougher vetting process for those coming into the U.S. We will enact voter ID laws, so that only citizens of each county are voting, once. The GEOTUS is doing a lot to protect the U.S. elections.

    But I'm willing to bet you don't support any of those efforts.
  5. by   elkpark
    Quote from itsybitsy
    I didn't ever say it wasn't part of the investigation. I'm pointing out that NOW it is being reported that Russian interference was the main point, that they proved, when it wasn't - it started as "Trump colluded with Russia", as the main part of the investigation.
    What have you been smoking? The original investigation was into Russian interference in the election. The allegations of possible collusion by members of the Trump administration only arose as that investigation unfolded, and names of people in and around the campaign kept cropping up.

    You're inventing your own personal storyline as you go (sort of like your idol).
    Last edit by elkpark on Feb 17 : Reason: fixed typo
  6. by   elkpark
    Quote from itsybitsy
    Well, for one, we are going to build a great, magnificent wall, to deter illegal aliens from interfering in our elections. We will instate a tougher vetting process for those coming into the U.S. We will enact voter ID laws, so that only citizens of each county are voting, once. The GEOTUS is doing a lot to protect the U.S. elections.

    But I'm willing to bet you don't support any of those efforts.
    None of those issues are actually threats to our elections, other than in the fever swamps of the far right. The real threat, Russian interference, he continues to deny and ignore.
  7. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from itsybitsy
    Why do you say Trump apologists? I'm not apologizing for Trump, because there is nothing to apologize for. He is making America great, and after 18 months, the investigation still has nothing on him.

    But Trump supporters are the conspiracy theorists...


    The investigation ISN'T FINISHED. Your boy has had THREE of his former colleagues make deals with Mueller. I can't wait to find out what dirt they shared on the Bum with Mueller to get those deals (especially the sweetheart deal given to disgraced general Mike Flynn).

    I'm smacking my lips at the thought of the material given to Mueller by former Trump cohorts.

    It should be painfully obvious to you by this time that the Mueller investigation is ramping UP not down.

    Yep, nothing more than a Trump apologist or Russian troll.
    Last edit by AN Admin Team on Feb 25
  8. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from elkpark
    None of those issues are actually threats to our elections, other than in the fever swamps of the far right. The real threat, Russian interference, he continues to deny and ignore.
    How do you say Putin's puppet in Russian?
  9. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from herring_RN
    What is the President of the United States doing to protect OUR democratic elections?
    Nothing.
  10. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from itsybitsy
    It was always "Trump colluded with Russia" - now it's, "there was Russian interference". Don't forget that. Don't let the MSM pull one over on you. Trump always has and always will say the "Trump colluded with Russia" thing IS a hoax.

    People aren't too bright these days, so it's easy to be manipulated into thinking what they are fed.
    Oh, please don't let the Russian trolls pull one over on you, itsty bitsy, although I am afraid they already have. After all, you are a Trump supporter and his biggest apologist on this Web Site.

    You're right. People aren't too bright these days and easily believe what they are fed.
    Last edit by dianah on Mar 16 : Reason: misspelled word/Terms of Service
  11. by   elkpark
    Quote from Lil Nel
    How do you say Putin's puppet in Russian?
    Путина марионетка

  12. by   MunoRN
    Quote from itsybitsy
    From Rob Goldman, Vice President of Facebook: Twitter
    You're referring to the rate of "ad impressions" which are based on the rate at which the topic it's linked to is mentioned, and not surprisingly there have been more references to Trump after he was elected and in a longer window of time.

    The effort put into interference by the main Russian group in question however peaked in September and October prior to the election, with a peak budget of more than $1 million in each of those two months.
  13. by   MunoRN
    Quote from itsybitsy
    I didn't ever say it wasn't part of the investigation. I'm pointing out that NOW it is being reported that Russian interference was the main point, that they proved, when it wasn't - it started as "Trump colluded with Russia", as the main part of the investigation.
    I'm not sure where you're getting that the investigation was ever limited to Trump's individual actions related to interference, it was always about campaign staff as a whole, from the order that opened that particular investigation: "any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.."

    Quote from itsybitsy
    They are saying, "told you so", when that wasn't what the MSM/left were trying to prove. What they were trying to prove was the Trump colluded with Russia, when he didn't. Now that they have "proof" of Russian interference, that isn't anything new, people act like it's against Trump, that Trump was/is trying to hide. Trump never tried to hide that there was interference, only conclude that he didn't collude, hence the hoax bit.
    His stated views have been inconsistent, but it's not correct that Trump never disputed Russia's attempted to interfere was accurate, instead he referred to Russian interference (separate from the question of collusion) as a hoax: "The Russia hoax continues, now it's ads on Facebook. What about the totally biased and dishonest Media coverage in favor of Crooked Hillary?" This has come through in his actions, since he has refused to enact sanctions against Russia for interference.

    Quote from itsybitsy
    Openly pursued cooperation with Russia? Or Russians? There's a difference.
    With Russia, as in the Russian government or those representing the Russian government.

    Quote from itsybitsy
    Answers to questions that have no basis being asked. There is nothing to show Trump, himself did anything to warrant an investigation. Perhaps it would be wiser to specifically point out the accusers you are accusing and not blanket the Trump campaign as a whole, because they aren't the only people who have had conversations with foreign nationals. But we can only hope people are so smart.
    Again, the purpose of the investigation was to look into the Trump campaign as a whole, and based on what we already know there was more than enough reason to investigate the situation due to the actions of various specific individuals in the campaign. I don't think there's any standard that so long as some members of a campaign aren't attempting to cooperate with Russia that we should just ignore the whole thing all together.

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