Morals aside, death penalty is flawed

  1. Welcome to modern-day America, where crime as entertainment is the pastime of choice. The Romans and their coliseums of death had nothing on us. Welcome also to America's jury pool.

    Lost in all this blood lust is the fact that the death penalty is flawed. I'll skip over the moral dilemma and leave that to God and his disciples.

    Instead, simply look at the facts: This country has executed the innocent. That's not debatable.

    And no rationale-be it revenge or legal strategy-is a valid one to perpetuate such an injustice. People who have been killed in the name of justice have subsequently been exonerated.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/....column?page=1
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  3. by   herring_RN
    Yes.

    Mistaken identity is common.

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  4. by   Honnte et Srieux


    I knew Stephen and his wife personally; one look at his beautiful, now fatherless children is the only encouragement I need to continue my support for the death penalty. It disgusts me that his killer might escape the death penalty after killing three cops because of public sentiment.



    Kelsey Briggs died of blunt force trauma to the abdomen; she had a broken collar and was covered with bruises and abrasions, and it was found that at some point in time, both of her legs had been broken.

    Her abuser was charged with sexual abuse in addition to murder, but he pled down to enabling child abuse.

    I work in a children's hospital in intensive care...and happen to believe that Michael Porter and dozen's of people like him do not deserve to live.

    This disgusts me...I can't even type any more about it.
  5. by   Atheos
    Nice...

    Try to use emotions to rile up public outrage.

    Oh wait... I thought we left mob rule back in the 1800s...

    The criminal system is about punishment NOT revenge.

    I'd rather let 100 cop killers free (friend or not) than bear responsibility for one innocent victim killed.

    If you argue that 1 innocent victim is worth it then it will also stand true that 1 innocent police officer is worth it.

    Sorry. While your story is sad and tragic it has no bearing on whether the death penalty system is flawed or not...
  6. by   hypocaffeinemia
    It is flawed as currently enacted, yes. The bar is too low and innocents have been executed. The standards for requiring the death penalty need to be raised significantly-- as close to zero doubt about guilt as possible. Right now it's whichever attorney puts on the most palatable act for the jury.
  7. by   ElvishDNP
    I used to think there were instances where the death penalty was appropriate. I was wrong. This notion that we can somehow right one wrong by committing another wrong goes against everything I believe. Redemptive violence, I believe some call it.
  8. by   Atheos
    IT goes against everything Jesus stood for too. For all those 'pious' death penalty supporters out there.

  9. by   rn/writer
    I am against the flaws in the outworking of the death penalty but not the death penalty itself.

    There are some individuals who are so depraved and whose crimes are so despicable that they have forfeited the right to live. There are also convicted criminals whose cases leave little room for doubt or who have even confessed to their crimes. Some of them agree that they deserve to die, and a few would even like to hasten the process. Start with these, please, and don't take twenty years to do it.

    Then, put some serious time, effort, and money into revamping the system to address the problems. Don't take the death penalty off the table because there have been mistakes. Fix the mistakes.
  10. by   Atheos
    Quote from rn/writer
    I am against the flaws in the outworking of the death penalty but not the death penalty itself.

    There are some individuals who are so depraved and whose crimes are so despicable that they have forfeited the right to live. There are also convicted criminals whose cases leave little room for doubt or who have even confessed to their crimes. Some of them agree that they deserve to die and a few would even like to hasten the process. Start with these, please, and don't take twenty years to do it.

    Then, put some serious time, effort, and money into revamping the system to address the problems. Don't take it off the table because there have been mistakes. Fix the mistakes.

    And who exactly gets to decide what is 'so depraved' and 'despicable?'

    I think speeding is depraved and despicable. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!


    Who is one person to decide if or when someone else has 'forfeited' life? That's depraved and despicable if I do say so myself...
  11. by   ElvishDNP
    Are there individuals that need to be separated from the rest of society forever? Probably. Charlie Manson and Scott Peterson are examples that I'd go with.

    Is it for me to say that they're not deserving of life? Not my call. What they did, what they've confessed to, those are horrendous, terrible, wrong, no-good crimes. Will killing them bring back any of the people whose lives they took? Not a single one.
  12. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Atheos
    Nice...

    Try to use emotions to rile up public outrage.

    Oh wait... I thought we left mob rule back in the 1800s...

    The criminal system is about punishment NOT revenge.

    I'd rather let 100 cop killers free (friend or not) than bear responsibility for one innocent victim killed.

    If you argue that 1 innocent victim is worth it then it will also stand true that 1 innocent police officer is worth it.

    Sorry. While your story is sad and tragic it has no bearing on whether the death penalty system is flawed or not...


    Isn't that what the other side (the op) is doing talking about innocent lives being taken?

    It is all emotion.

    I side with being extra careful regarding true guilt - but otherwise . ... . I'm in favor of the death penalty.



    steph
  13. by   Atheos
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Isn't that what the other side (the op) is doing talking about innocent lives being taken?
    Nope, innocent lives HAVE been taken. It's a fact.

    I side with being extra careful regarding true guilt - but otherwise . ... . I'm in favor of the death penalty.

    steph
    Funny how the namesake for Christianity was against it.
  14. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Atheos
    Nope, innocent lives HAVE been taken. It's a fact.




    I didn't say that innocent lives have not been taken - I was responding to you giving H&S a very hard time about posting actual photos of innocent lives being taken (and people he knew) . .that little girl's photo and the knowledge of what happened to her was especially heinous.

    You accused H&S of using emotion . . . . which is exactly what YOU did and are doing when you talk about the innocent lives wrongly taken by the death penalty.

    I agree with Miranda and actually hypocaffeinemia . . .. .. build in better safeguards so no innocent lives are taken by the death penalty . . . but there are some particularly horrible people who do deserve the death penalty and just because we need to fix the system doesn't mean some don't deserve to die.

    steph

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