Judge in Manafort trial says he's been threatened over case

  1. The judge in Paul Manafort's fraud trial revealed Friday he has received threats over the case and now travels with U.S. Marshals, as he turned back a media request to release juror information.
    U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III, in rejecting the motion, argued that he's confident the jurors would be threatened as well if their information were to be made public.

    "I can tell you there have been [threats]. ... I don't feel right if I release their names," he said, adding that because of threats against him, "The Marshals go where I go."
    The startling revelation came as the jury deliberated for its second day. Ellis, a famously prickly judge known for his colorful comments, has attracted considerable attention during the Manafort trial for his frequent sparring with the attorneys -- particularly those on Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team.
    Earlier Friday morning, Ellis acknowledged facing pushback about how he's handled this case.
    He told attorneys "I'm no stranger to criticism," but said "this case has brought it to a new level."...
    Judge in Manafort trial says he's been threatened over case | Fox News
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  3. by   toomuchbaloney
    What a crazy and angry country we live in.
  4. by   Lil Nel
    And this is why they aren't releasing the names of the jurors.

    There is a fear of threats, intimidation, etc.

    Yes, we live in a very divided country.
  5. by   SC_RNDude
    Jurors can always come forward on their own. There no reason to release this info. This motion by anti-Trump media outlets was an attempt to intimidate the jury.
  6. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Jurors can always come forward on their own. There no reason to release this info. This motion by anti-Trump media outlets was an attempt to intimidate the jury.
    Huh?

    Who said anything about Trump?

    Nobody.

    I think you are paranoid.

    Yes, this is a divided country. And yes, there are lots of wackos in this country, who listen to Alex Jones.

    What's your point?
  7. by   macawake
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Jurors can always come forward on their own. There no reason to release this info. This motion by anti-Trump media outlets was an attempt to intimidate the jury.
    It's absolutely amazing how you manage to inject partisanship, even into a thread about a judge who has been threatened.

    You have no way of knowing what motivated the media. You are speculating. Frankly, I find your theory that media asked for the jurors identities in an effort to intimidate them, ridiculous.

    Even if we were to accept your premise that media are in the business of jury tampering, which I most definitely don't, they would have no way of knowing how the chips would fall.

    Rest assured that there are nutjobs on both sides of the Trump issue and revealing the juror's identities would make them targets of cray-crays on both sides. You have no idea in which direction, if any, potential threats would sway the jurors.

    One has to wonder how you come up with your wild-eyed theories.


    On another tangent...

    In my opinion, this trial has been a bit strange so far... I guess there's a lot of pressure on all the involved parties.

    U.S. judge apologizes to prosecutors in former Trump aide Manafort's trial | Reuters

    Manafort trial Judge TS Ellis taunts and torments Mueller team: 'Tears in your eyes' | Fox News

    Ken White: The Manafort trial judge keeps yelling at prosecutors. That'''s not good news for the defendant.

    Since I'm not American, I don't know how high profile trials are normally conducted, but am I the only one who finds it a bit odd that the jury weren't/aren't sequestered?



    Regarding the OP, the fact that the judge has been threatened is extremely serious. Fair, impartial and independent courts are part of a democratic society and it's vital that judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys and juries be able to do their jobs, without having to fear for their safety.
  8. by   elkpark
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Jurors can always come forward on their own. There no reason to release this info. This motion by anti-Trump media outlets was an attempt to intimidate the jury.
    Oh, please. The reporting I saw (not Faux News) said that the request was made that the names be released after the verdict is final and the trial is over, which is pretty standard for high-profile trials, as the media wants to try to interview the jurors after the fact. The only thing unusual about this is the judge saying he's not going to release the info because of concerns about the jurors' safety. I would be v. surprised to find that any threats toward the judge and jurors are coming from anyone other than the right and Trump supporters, not anyone "anti-Trump."
    Last edit by elkpark on Aug 21
  9. by   macawake
    Quote from elkpark
    Oh, please. The reporting I saw (not Faux News) said that the request was made that the names be released after the verdict is final and the trial is over, which is pretty standard for high-profile trials, as the media wants to try to interview the jurors after the fact. The only thing unusual about this is the judge saying he's not going to release the info because of concerns about the jurors' safety. I guarantee you that any threats toward the judge and jurors are coming from the right and Trump supporters, not anyone "anti-Trump."
    I genuinely think there are mentally unstable people in both camps, both the "anti-Trump" and "pro-Trump" ones. I have a feeling that the number of those who might actually resort to threats and violence, might be higher in the latter than in the former, but that's just me speculating. But anyway, it only takes one violence-prone individual to do damage, so their respective partisan representation in the nutjob population, is not that interesting.

    But yes, I would agree that the threats would most likely be coming from those in the pro-Trump group, based on which side has the most invested/most to lose from the outcome of this trial.

    I haven't followed all the evidence in the trial, but to me it seems that the prosecution has a pretty solid case. Those who oppose Trump in all likelihood have less to gain, from trying to disrupt the trial.

    If Manafort were to be acquitted in his first trial, that would be a blow to the Mueller investigation, but it would still carry on.

    However a conviction, would in a very concrete way, illustrate just how ludicrous the "witch hunt" mantra is and he and his supporters would look increasingly ridiculous if they would continue to try to make that claim.

    It's possible that a conviction would affect how Manafort will act going forward. What information, if any, is he in possession of that he hasn't yet shared with the Mueller team?

    It would also leave the President with the tough choice to decide which option, to pardon or not to pardon, carries the most political and legal risk for him. I also suspect that it would very much feel like the walls were closing in. Simply put, a Manafort conviction would not be good news for Mr. Trump.
    Last edit by macawake on Aug 21
  10. by   elkpark
    Quote from macawake
    I genuinely think there are mentally unstable people in both camps, both the "anti-Trump" and "pro-Trump" ones. I have a feeling that the number of those who might actually resort to threats and violence, might be higher in the latter than in the former, but that's just me speculating. But anyway, it only takes one violence-prone individual to do damage, so their respective partisan representation in the nutjob population, is not that interesting.

    But yes, I would agree that the threats would most likely be coming from those in the pro-Trump group, based on which side has the most invested/most to lose from the outcome of this trial.
    After some reflection, I went back and edited my post to take out the "guarantee" part. But I do agree strongly with you that any threats are most likely coming from the pro-Trump crowd.
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Shame that judge and jurors did their due diligence, found Manafort guilty on 8 counts and have to fear for their safety.

    Despicable.
  12. by   elkpark
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Shame that judge and jurors did their due diligence, found Manafort guilty on 8 counts and have to fear for their safety.

    Despicable.
    Guilty on eight counts, and the judge declared a mistrial on the other ten, not acquittals, so he can be retried on them (gee, I guess that will be after his next trial, which is scheduled for September). Sucks to be him, I guess!
  13. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from elkpark
    Oh, please. The reporting I saw (not Faux News) said that the request was made that the names be released after the verdict is final and the trial is over, which is pretty standard for high-profile trials, as the media wants to try to interview the jurors after the fact. The only thing unusual about this is the judge saying he's not going to release the info because of concerns about the jurors' safety. I would be v. surprised to find that any threats toward the judge and jurors are coming from anyone other than the right and Trump supporters, not anyone "anti-Trump."
    CNN Requesting the Names of the Paul Manafort Jurors Suggests They're Up to No Good | Opinion
  14. by   elkpark
    Okay, you think it seems suspicious, and a right-wing radio talk-show host and website columnist thinks it sounds suspicious. You agree with each other. Congratulations! Got any non-right-wing people who think it seems ominous, or is this just more of the Trump-led paranoia about CNN and the MSM generally?

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