A good person with a gun. - page 36

The presence of an armed good person has been more effective at stopping mass murders than gun free zone signs. Guns are also used defensively much more often than the media would lead you to... Read More

  1. by   toomuchbaloney
    We ARE flipping victims to the gun zealots and angry white men with weapons of massacre and mayhem. Nearly 600 victims at the last NRA event in Vegas.

    Calling citizens victims isn't insulting, it's accurate.

    If all trends continue we should expect more victims in the foreseeable future.
  2. by   Lil Nel
    I was only making a judgment based on the tone of your posts, PMFB.RN. Sorry if I guessed wrong.
  3. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from Lil Nel
    I was only making a judgment based on the tone of your posts, PMFB.RN. Sorry if I guessed wrong.
    I only get frustrated when people's actions and arguments seem to be inconsistent with their stated goals, as I see in this discussion.
  4. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    A boycott takes large numbers of people to make work. I don't think you will get them so long as you (speaking broadly of you, not you individually) choose to use lies and false propaganda. As we have seen so many times in the past, it only makes advocates a laughing stock.
    Can you please stop making inaccurate guesses as to what frustrates me?
    Economic boycotts don't require that many individuals. Think of North Carolina and the mess over transgender bathrooms. All it took was the NCAA and a few businesses to say they would no longer hold conferences etc. in the Tar Heel state for the things to start to turn around.

    Think about what is already happening in LV. The Wyndham Hotel is now randomly scanning guests for firearms. That started LESS than a week after the latest massacre. Why are they doing that? I think is because they are trying to get ahead of the fallout.

    Granted, LV is far more liberal than the rest of the state regarding gun control, but it can't afford to lose $$$, and it is always all about the $$$.

    Actually financial boycott is a lot more feasible than your suggestion of changing the minds of individual NRA members. That may take forever, and be impossible. And truthfully, I don't care what those people think, and I am not interested in changing their minds.

    Did Nelson Mandela come to power because the majority of White South Africans changed their minds? No. It was the country being isolated and hurt financially. The $$$ always wins!
  5. by   Lil Nel
    Confessions of a Sensible Gun Owner - The New York Times

    This is actually an opinion piece worth reading.
  6. by   herring_RN
    In this situation police shot the armed security guard (The "Good Guy With a Gun")
    I think this is tragic.
    I think the officer who shot the guard must feel horrible.

    Officer Gave Security Guard 'Multiple Verbal Commands' To Drop Gun, Police Now Say
    Jemel Roberson, 26, was armed and working security at Manny's Blue Room in the village of Robbins around 4 a.m. Sunday when a shooting occurred, according to the Cook County Sheriff's office. Witnesses said Roberson subdued one of the people involved.

    In a statement released late Tuesday night, the Illinois State Police said that according to witness statements, an officer from the nearby village of Midlothian gave Roberson "multiple verbal commands to drop the gun and get on the ground before ultimately discharging his weapon and striking the subject."...

    ... Jakia Woods lives in a house adjacent to Manny's parking lot. She said officers already on the scene had asked Roberson to release the suspect, and Roberson was complying, when another officer came through the bar's back door.

    "Before [Roberson] could get up off of him, the officer comes flying out this door gun up," Woods said Tuesday afternoon while standing on her porch. "He says, 'Get on the ground,' and before he says 'ground,' he fires the first shot."

    "Everybody is screaming and hollering," she said. "Even the officers were screaming and hollering, 'He's one of us. He's one of us. He's a security guard. He works here.' "

    Witness Adam Harris told WGN-TV he saw the same thing. "Everybody is screaming out, 'He's a security guard,' " Harris said...

    ... Attorney Gregory Kulis filed a civil rights lawsuit seeking more than $1 million on behalf of Roberson's mother, Beatrice Roberson. He said Jemel Roberson was wearing a hat with the word "security" when he was shot.

    "He was retained to do a job, and he did his job well," Kulis said. "He probably saved some people's lives."

    Kulis described Roberson as a kind young man who his mother said was interested in eventually joining law enforcement. Kulis said he loved music, specifically playing organ.

    "In fact, the day of the incident he was supposed to be in church that morning to play the organ."...
    Jemel Roberson Shooting: Officer Gave Security Guard 'Multiple Verbal Commands' : NPR
  7. by   azhiker96
    If the witness reports as written are accurate the officer who shot probably will lose his job and should be prosecuted.
  8. by   Lil Nel
    There is a GoFundMe page for the young man's burial.

    I donated to it yesterday.

    Such a sad and tragic event.

    He was a good guy, who leaves behind a child.
  9. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from azhiker96
    If the witness reports as written are accurate the officer who shot probably will lose his job and should be prosecuted.
    It will be interesting to see if he is held accountable or if the police investigation will find that the violence was justified.
  10. by   Tweety
    Quote from herring_RN
    [SIZE=4]In this situation police shot the armed security guard (The "Good Guy With a Gun")
    I think this is tragic.
    I think the officer who shot the guard must feel horrible.
    It is tragic and a devastating look into America these days.
  11. by   Tweety
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    It will be interesting to see if he is held accountable or if the police investigation will find that the violence was justified.
    With reports of a possible mass shooting violence may have been justified but choosing to shoot the black man without thinking about what is really going on is not. But that goes into a realm that is not quite what this thread is about, so I won't go there.
  12. by   herring_RN
    Alabama Police Shot EJ Bradford From Behind, Family Says: 'My Son Was Murdered'
    An independent autopsy has found that Emantic "EJ" Bradford Jr., a black man killed by police on Thanksgiving night, was shot three times from behind during the incident in an Alabama mall...

    ... Bradford, 21, was killed after an altercation erupted at the Riverchase Galleria Mall in Hoover, Ala., a suburb of Birmingham. Initially police applauded the "heroic" actions of the officer on the scene, who has not been publicly identified. The original police statement also blamed Bradford for the confrontation, claiming that he had whipped out a weapon and begun shooting during an incident that left two people injured.

    Later the Hoover Police Department retracted that claim...
    ... The actual suspect, Erron Martez Dequan Brown, was arrested last week...
    Alabama Police Shot EJ Bradford In Back, Family Says: 'My Son Was Murdered' : NPR

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