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Trump Will Be Like Iraq

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Strictly MY view. Not speaking for anyone else.

Before the invasion of Iraq many if us could see plainly the way the occupation was very likely to go. A little bit of knowledge and background of the region made it pretty obvious that a long and bloody occupation would be needed and that democracy wasn't simply going to appear in the absence of Saddam.

We could also see that, as evil as Saddam was, he was doing a good job of suppressing his arch enemy, radical Islam and that without this suppression the rise of an ISIS like group was the likely outcome. Once Bush decided to fire the most competent members of the Iraqi military, making them unenployabe, and without first asking for thier weapons it became a certainty.

There were also many of us who knew the administration's stated justification for the invasion was pure false propaganda. Most especially the "BIG LIE" that Saddam's Iraq represented a threat big enough to justify an invasion.

At the time we couldn't understand how this was not seen by our countrymen. How was what was so obvious to us BEFORE the invasion not equally obvious to everyone?

I the years since the invasion MANY people have regreted thier decision to support Bush's war on Iraq. If you Google " I was wrong about Iraq" you will see page after page of journalists and officials admitting they were wrong.

If elected I predict it will be the same with Trump.

Many people can not, will not see what is plain to the rest of us. This despite Trump's many statements that should have clued them in.

Trump would be an unmitigated disaster for our country. This is obvious. If he wins being able to say "I told you so" will be fun like it has been with Iraq, but cold comfort when looking at the cost.

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Unfortunately, PMFB, I fear you are correct.

I also agree. We are in for some very dark times if he wins.

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If Trump wins, he will be a disaster for sure, but he will be held in check by congress. It's doubtful they are going to blindly follow his every move.

If Ms. Clinton wins, it will be more of the same as it was with Obama: immediate hatred by much of the masses, lack of support in congress even if her ideas might be good for us, difficulty getting anything done.

I'm not looking forward to the next four years regardless of who wins.

I take no satisfaction in saying I was against the invasion of Iraq and I'm sure somewhere in the archives here is evidence of that. No satisfaction because of the lives lost, the rise of even more dreadful extremists, and the trillion we've spent.

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Here in the UK we really cannot understand how he is even a candidate - never mind a serious contender.

As the old (supposedly) Chinese curse has it; "May you live in interesting times". Interesting times are ahead for the world. :no:

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Here in the UK we really cannot understand how he is even a candidate - never mind a serious contender.

Yes, as do many of us, Republicans included, here in the US.

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Yes, as do many of us, Republicans included, here in the US.

As do many evangelical Christians.

Our leadership has been exposed as having no discernment, in my view.

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Hey, no love for Saddam, he was a straight-up psycho, but the one thing he wasn't was a sponsor of terrorists. Saddam would never have let anyone else take credit for anything. And no way would he have armed crazy people in his part of the world--he and his peeps WERE the armed crazy people.

But W had to have his revenge on the man who tried to kill his Daddy. And we see the result, every day on the news.

But Trump isn't W, who was just a good-natured, blithering idiot. Trump is a greedy narcissist who can't foresee the consequences of his actions five minutes from now, let alone five years from now; add to that the fact that he really truly doesn't care, and you have a genuine man-child whose only concern is fulfilling his own needs and the rest of the world be damned. Literally. This is a man who could order a nuclear strike on a nation whose leader has insulted him. This is a man who admires Vladimir Putin, a Soviet relic who clearly wants to use force in the service of Mother Russia, who wants to expand his sphere of political and military influence--and Trump is OK with that. If you want World War 3, vote for this man--he will happily bring it. If you want stability, and sanity, vote for Hillary. There isn't anything else to say.

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I can't and won't vote for Hillary; I will write in someone for president. But that doesn't mean I support Trump, even though I'm a Republican. He is vile, and I agree that he will touch off World War III if he is elected. He can dish out the insults, but he can't take it. He is a petty, mean, ill-bred, lying hypocritical bigot and I hope to Heaven he loses.

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I can't and won't vote for Hillary; I will write in someone for president. But that doesn't mean I support Trump, even though I'm a Republican. He is vile, and I agree that he will touch off World War III if he is elected. He can dish out the insults, but he can't take it. He is a petty, mean, ill-bred, lying hypocritical bigot and I hope to Heaven he loses.

I think the issue is that you are a Republican but Trump isn't.

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I think the issue is that you are a Republican but Trump isn't.

Agreed. That plus the fact that Viva, unlike Trump, is a decent human being.

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I can't and won't vote for Hillary; I will write in someone for president. But that doesn't mean I support Trump, even though I'm a Republican. He is vile, and I agree that he will touch off World War III if he is elected. He can dish out the insults, but he can't take it. He is a petty, mean, ill-bred, lying hypocritical bigot and I hope to Heaven he loses.

I am very sympathetic to this point of view. Its pretty much exactly how I feel. I have written lots of times who I feel Clinton lacks the judgment to be president based on her votes as a senator. I am also uncomfortable with her hawkish behavior as Sec. of State.

We agree completely on Trump. Unlike you, I might be able to talk myself into voting for Clinton because I live in a swing state and I feel keeping Trump out of office is vital.

I sometimes wish I lived in a state like California where my vote doesn't matter so I can feel free to vote for whoever I like best.

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