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Prior to that statement a relatively small number of players were protesting, by Sunday of that weekend NFL anthem protests were suddenly far more prominent.

Yes, the protests were relatively contained until Trump poured gasoline on that particular fire, and large numbers of players joined in to express their solidarity with their fellow players. That's on Trump.

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I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I just think that if you call someone a racist then you better know that for a fact. I agree that some of the things he has said are rude, obnoxious, immature etc, but I am not willing to take the leap to call it racism. That is something that I don't take lightly and would never say that to anyone without having firsthand knowledge bc its a serious charge to make. Again some of those things you have stated have been misleading/out of context. I already posted to long speech re: Charlottesville. As far as the Gold Star family, yea, maybe it wasn't appropriate but they put themselves in that position (for rebuttal) at the Clinton rally. I wish all people here to have a good life and I pray for our country also, but I don't agree that it is Trump who is trying to change it from a "free country". Did you see the new Congress woman who just got elected, she is a Democratic Socialist (her words), that should scare all of us!! As far as verbalizing hate and violence, the Dems have there fair share going on too. (ie Maxine Watters, the harassment of Sarah Sanders, Pam Bondi etc). I think everyone needs to take a step back. But, I am not sure that any of us can really do anything one way or the other, and that is my biggest fear, that is is already too late.

Just out of curiosity, what, exactly, would he have to do in order for you to consider him a racist? Burn a cross on someone's lawn? Make a speech to the nation in which he announces, "I am a racist"? Would that do it? There is a well-documented track record over decades of him doing and saying things that nearly everyone would consider obvious racism, but you are still willing to give him a pass, and arguing that those behaviors don't constitute racism. Your position seems to go far beyond naivete and well into willful blindness. Why? Why are you so invested in him not being a racist?

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Oh give me a freakin break. Baloney fits your name. I googled that foolishness and didn't find one thing on it. Nice try.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2016/10/05/confirmed-nfl-losing-millions-of-tv-viewers-because-of-national-anthem-protests/#7b2ff3a9226c

I suppose that millions of conservatives stopped watching the NFL because they were offended by the black men's protest. We certainly know that some of them even burned expensive official NFL personal items in protest. It was never clear how that hurt the NFL.

I'm sorry that you are unfamiliar with the social trend away from football following the exposure of the permanent injury sustained by players. There really is quite a bit of informative literature available about CTE. There's even a movie starting Will Smith that could give you some insight.

What should I say about your attempt at personal insult, again? How unfortunate that you chose that tactic right after liberals were accused of being unreasonable or rude or something.

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Just out of curiosity, what, exactly, would he have to do in order for you to consider him a racist? Burn a cross on someone's lawn? Make a speech to the nation in which he announces, "I am a racist"? Would that do it? There is a well-documented track record over decades of him doing and saying things that nearly everyone would consider obvious racism, but you are still willing to give him a pass, and arguing that those behaviors don't constitute racism. Your position seems to go far beyond naivete and well into willful blindness. Why? Why are you so invested in him not being a racist?

Well, I think I have made my position clear but again I do not see it the same way you do, I am only invested in the truth. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are so invested in him being a racist when the OP posted contrary information to that narrative. If I thought he was a racist I would say so. Obama did things that I didn't agree with, that seemed maybe racist, but I would not just go ahead and arrogantly run with that when I don't know for sure, as I previously stated. Cuz as the old saying goes, don't believe everything you read/see.

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Well, I think I have made my position clear but again I do not see it the same way you do, I am only invested in the truth. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are so invested in him being a racist when the OP posted contrary information to that narrative. If I thought he was a racist I would say so. Obama did things that I didn't agree with, that seemed maybe racist, but I would not just go ahead and arrogantly run with that when I don't know for sure, as I previously stated. Cuz as the old saying goes, don't believe everything you read/see.

Why not just say what he would have to do or say for you to consider him a racist. Most of us here recognized his racism well before conservative voters thought he should be their candidate.

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."

Abraham Lincoln

Happy 4th Everyone!!

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."

Abraham Lincoln

Happy 4th Everyone!!

Good quote. It states exactly what so many of us think is starting to happen under Trump.

You have a good 4th, too.

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Well, more useless article that do not prove racism. I agree that some of the things he did have been sketchy but it does not prove racism, greed maybe, arrogance maybe, but not racism. Just proves that (some) people who hate Trump will see what they want to see.

Trump has attributed negative characteristics to people based broadly on their nationality and religion which is what discriminatory bias, also called racism, is. I'm not clear what aspect of that you disagree with, did not actually say these things? Is that not what a discriminatory statement is? You can certainly hold a different opinion from others on whether his statements are really wrong, just a little wrong, not wrong, etc, but I'm not sure how you disagree that he said them at all.

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It is pretty amazing and heartwarming to see people from all walks of life getting along and agreeing for the most part . . . without resorting to eating Junior Mints together and laughing their heads off.

No true offense to y'all . . . I've known you here for years. But I stopped posting on the political threads and took a break from AN altogether because there simply isn't a lot of respect or room for disagreements here.

Hi Spidey's mom. When you say that there isn't a lot of respect or room for disagreement here, I sincerely hope that you assign blame to both sides. I would appreciate hearing you articulate that you do.

You tell me what you think is most disrespectful and least conducive to good dialogue. Eating Junior Mints and laughing or addressing individual posters directly and calling them idiots, crying babies, libtards, dishonest, deceptive, sloppy, a toddler and a half-wit?

I've been called all these things but I've never used them back. I never report people who call me these things, because I see it as proof that they can't verbalize dissent in a constructive manner. Also having worked a decade in law enforcement, I'm quite used to people attempting to play mind games and push buttons, so I'm rather immune to the attempted goading.

Personally, I always attack opinions, not the person, and will happily call an opinion wrong or even ridiculous, and I will explain my reasons for thinking so. Having a false belief is something a person can rectify if they are so inclined. It offers them a road to take if they want to. I'll also ask questions, designed to make the person think and reflect on their position. If I see that they are quite entrenched in their bias, I admit I can be quite provocative. I am trying to force them to take a good look at themselves and their beliefs.

That's of course only effective if they are willing to do some soul-searching. If they aren't, and that's probably most of the time, then it's a waste of time. But the point I'm making here is that at no time will I ever resort to the tactic of calling people idiots, half-wits and crying babies.

Spidey's mom, I apologize in advance if you actually have called out those among the Trump supporters who use this tactic against posters who oppose Trump, but if you haven't called them out then let me tell you; I am sick and tired of the unidirectional umbrage displayed. I've had it up to... here... with the victimhood.

For far too long' date=' the left has controlled the narrative in this country in news and media while the "silent majority" on the right have done what they always do- remained silent. The left has been allowed for so long to reinforce the narrative that everybody on the right is a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a misogynist, etc. But the left has become so extreme, it's now time to fight back. I want people on the right to use their voices and tell the world the truth about who they are. Please make a video telling everyone what it means to be a conservative in America. What your values really are.[/quote']

In my opinion this statement oozes victimhood. The statements makes it sound like the right is an oppressed group, and it claims that the left has become "so extreme", but doesn't mention how the Republican party has changed over time.

Anyway Spidey's mom, I have only one question for you. In your opinion is Trump a good role model for explaining to the world what it means to be conservative in America and does he espouse and embody conservative values?

This is just something for you to think about, I don't necessarily need an answer. Do you want me to look at Trump and what he says and does, and think yes, this man represents Spidey's mom's values and attitudes towards other human beings?

Are you comfortable with that?

I don't hate him. I want him to have a good rest of his life.

I do NOT want to live in a country where the president separates babies and children from their mothers and fathers, where the president praises cruel murderous dictators, who insults American heroes like Senator McCain, insults Gold Star families, insulted each and every other Republican candidate for president with lies and name calling, where he creates a crisis daily, makes promises that cannot be kept, insults those he should negotiate with, who says some Nazis and White supremacists are "very good people" along with those credibly accused of raping under age teens.

I want him to no longer be our president so we can live in a country where the president behaves with common courtesy.

I can't help praying for us all. He verbalizes hate and advocates violence as a routine.

I pray we stop him before the United States is no longer a free country.

Herring, beautiful post in my opinion.

Like you, I don't hate the man. Hate is such a personal feeling and it would require more energy and emotional involvement than I could or want to ever summon up for him. I don't admire him and I certainly don't respect him, but more importantly I think he's harmful for the American people and I think he's harmful for the world. I think he is a destructive and divisive force. Of course this is just my opinion, an opinion which has been formed after witnessing how he talks and acts.

Well, more useless article that do not prove racism.

Daisy, other posters have already asked you and now I'm joining them; what exactly would it take for you to accept that the descriptor "racist" is an accurate one for a person? What would a person have to do, before you'd be willing to concede that a person is indeed racist?

I realize that you've just ignored all the questions I've posed to you and I have drawn my conclusion from your inability to answer them. At this point I'm not really expecting to get an answer, but I ask the question anyway. It needs to be asked.

In my opinion part of the maturation process is the ability to critically think and developing the integrity and the moral fortitude to question the validity one's own strongly held convictions and reflect on potential biases. I think we're all capable, but it takes determination and motivation to get there.

There are in fact Mexicans/Hispanics that do cross the border who are rapists, there are in fact Islamic terrorists who cross the border, saying this is a fact is NOT racist

So Daisy, if I say that white men are despicable, cowardly baby murderers, I assume you're completely fine with that?

Because...

Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia

... it's a FACT that white men murder babies.

or....

Would you think it more fair of me to NOT generalize the actions of a very small percentage of a group, to be applicable to the entire group?

You see Daisy, most white men do not murder babies, just as most Mexicans aren't rapists and most Muslims aren't terrorists.

When a person tries to paint a picture that the small portion of a group who misbehaves, is the part that defines the characteristics of the larger group then they are at the very least intellectually dishonest, but perhaps even full-blown racist. Wherever they land on the scale, rest assured that their motivations should be considered suspect.

As far as the Gold Star family, yea, maybe it wasn't appropriate but they put themselves in that position (for rebuttal) at the Clinton rally.

The way Trump treated that Gold Star family was WRONG. No buts, ifs or frigging qualifiers. PERIOD.

Well, I think I have made my position clear but again I do not see it the same way you do, I am only invested in the truth.

This is actually scary to me. I don't expect you'll understand why.

I just found the same right after my post. I agree. That's not appropriate.

Kudos.

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Hi Spidey's mom. When you say that there isn't a lot of respect or room for disagreement here, I sincerely hope that you assign blame to both sides. I would appreciate hearing you articulate that you do.

You tell me what you think is most disrespectful and least conducive to good dialogue. Eating Junior Mints and laughing or addressing individual posters directly and calling them idiots, crying babies, libtards, dishonest, deceptive, sloppy, a toddler and a half-wit?

I've been called all these things but I've never used them back. I never report people who call me these things, because I see it as proof that they can't verbalize dissent in a constructive manner. Also having worked a decade in law enforcement, I'm quite used to people attempting to play mind games and push buttons, so I'm rather immune to the attempted goading.

Personally, I always attack opinions, not the person, and will happily call an opinion wrong or even ridiculous, and I will explain my reasons for thinking so. Having a false belief is something a person can rectify if they are so inclined. It offers them a road to take if they want to. I'll also ask questions, designed to make the person think and reflect on their position. If I see that they are quite entrenched in their bias, I admit I can be quite provocative. I am trying to force them to take a good look at themselves and their beliefs.

That's of course only effective if they are willing to do some soul-searching. If they aren't, and that's probably most of the time, then it's a waste of time. But the point I'm making here is that at no time will I ever resort to the tactic of calling people idiots, half-wits and crying babies.

Spidey's mom, I apologize in advance if you actually have called out those among the Trump supporters who use this tactic against posters who oppose Trump, but if you haven't called them out then let me tell you; I am sick and tired of the unidirectional umbrage displayed. I've had it up to... here... with the victimhood.

In my opinion this statement oozes victimhood. The statements makes it sound like the right is an oppressed group, and it claims that the left has become "so extreme", but doesn't mention how the Republican party has changed over time.

Anyway Spidey's mom, I have only one question for you. In your opinion is Trump a good role model for explaining to the world what it means to be conservative in America and does he espouse and embody conservative values?

This is just something for you to think about, I don't necessarily need an answer. Do you want me to look at Trump and what he says and does, and think yes, this man represents Spidey's mom's values and attitudes towards other human beings?

Are you comfortable with that?

Herring, beautiful post in my opinion.

Like you, I don't hate the man. Hate is such a personal feeling and it would require more energy and emotional involvement than I could or want to ever summon up for him. I don't admire him and I certainly don't respect him, but more importantly I think he's harmful for the American people and I think he's harmful for the world. I think he is a destructive and divisive force. Of course this is just my opinion, an opinion which has been formed after witnessing how he talks and acts.

Daisy, other posters have already asked you and now I'm joining them; what exactly would it take for you to accept that the descriptor "racist" is an accurate one for a person? What would a person have to do, before you'd be willing to concede that a person is indeed racist?

I realize that you've just ignored all the questions I've posed to you and I have drawn my conclusion from your inability to answer them. At this point I'm not really expecting to get an answer, but I ask the question anyway. It needs to be asked.

In my opinion part of the maturation process is the ability to critically think and developing the integrity and the moral fortitude to question the validity one's own strongly held convictions and reflect on potential biases. I think we're all capable, but it takes determination and motivation to get there.

So Daisy, if I say that white men are despicable, cowardly baby murderers, I assume you're completely fine with that?

Because...

Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia

... it's a FACT that white men murder babies.

or....

Would you think it more fair of me to NOT generalize the actions of a very small percentage of a group, to be applicable to the entire group?

You see Daisy, most white men do not murder babies, just as most Mexicans aren't rapists and most Muslims aren't terrorists.

When a person tries to paint a picture that the small portion of a group who misbehaves, is the part that defines the characteristics of the larger group then they are at the very least intellectually dishonest, but perhaps even full-blown racist. Wherever they land on the scale, rest assured that their motivations should be considered suspect.

The way Trump treated that Gold Star family was WRONG. No buts, ifs or frigging qualifiers. PERIOD.

This is actually scary to me. I don't expect you'll understand why.

Kudos.

No offense personally bc I don't know you personally but you are coming off as very condescending. People do not have to (or keep having to) explain themselves to you, and that doesn't mean that you are right just because they don't want to endlessly argue their point. We are all entitled to our own opinion! At some point you are just at an impasse. I am tired of people twisting my words, like you with the Mexicans crossing the border statement. I didn't say all, and the comment was in reference to another statement. And, if you don't believe that statement and/or think its not a problem here come on down to the Southwest and have a look around. I am tired of people judging who have no clue. I don't see how so many people do not see the problems here (especially the one who live here in the US, and again, even within the US we have differing geographic areas with different problems so maybe some don't see it daily) and that is scary to me! And as far as the Republican party goes, again you do not live here (in the US) and experience life in the way we do and probably have a very skewed view of what is going on from the "news", so again please do not judge until you walk a mile. And, if you think it is unidirectional umbrage I urge you to take another look.

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No offense personally bc I don't know you personally but you are coming off as very condescending. People do not have to (or keep having to) explain themselves to you, and that doesn't mean that you are right just because they don't want to endlessly argue their point. We are all entitled to our own opinion! At some point you are just at an impasse. I am tired of people twisting my words, like you with the Mexicans crossing the border statement. I didn't say all, and the comment was in reference to another statement. And, if you don't believe that statement and/or think its not a problem here come on down to the Southwest and have a look around. I am tired of people judging who have no clue. I don't see how so many people do not see the problems here (especially the one who live here in the US, and again, even within the US we have differing geographic areas with different problems so maybe some don't see it daily) and that is scary to me! And as far as the Republican party goes, again you do not live here (in the US) and experience life in the way we do and probably have a very skewed view of what is going on from the "news", so again please do not judge until you walk a mile. And, if you think it is unidirectional umbrage I urge you to take another look.

I live here and agree with Macawake. I think she offers a different perspective, along with a high degree of intelligence and critical thinking. I welcome her thoughts and opinions, because she can support them. Like it or not, we live in a larger world and what our country does or says is not confined to the USA bubble. You have once again dodged the question of what you consider to be racist. We are no longer respected as a great country by most of the world. I just returned from a week helping others in a so-called shithole country. Most of the people I spoke with no longer want to come to the US, so you can rest easy. They see us as a lawless country where citizens shoot each other, and our government is being controlled by a dictator.

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I live here and agree with Macawake. I think she offers a different perspective, along with a high degree of intelligence and critical thinking. I welcome her thoughts and opinions, because she can support them. Like it or not, we live in a larger world and what our country does or says is not confined to the USA bubble. You have once again dodged the question of what you consider to be racist. We are no longer respected as a great country by most of the world. I just returned from a week helping others in a so-called shithole country. Most of the people I spoke with no longer want to come to the US, so you can rest easy. They see us as a lawless country where citizens shoot each other, and our government is being controlled by a dictator.

Nothing wrong with a different perspective as long as it is kept in context with actual people who live here and are actually affected by policies. I see you live in MA so you do not really understand some the issues out here either (mass homelessness, job loss, opioids, taxes). And yes I agree that we should not have a lawless country but it doesn't help when we have Congress running around instigating people to harass those they don't agree with (see Maxine Watters). This is an embarrassment to our country, but then again, you probably didn't see that on the liberal news.

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