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Trump is Racist? I Don't Think So

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Hot dang, Mr_Edwino! You sure returned from your trip energized and with all guns blazing :wideyed:

I'm still traveling. I drove along the Cali-Mexico border through Arizona. I couldn't help but notice the mountain divide between the countries. So after the Mexican migrant hopefuls cross the mountains, they will encounter a piddly little wall and that is supposed to stop them from crossing? After crossing MOUNTAINS? I doubt the idiotic Trump wall will be MOUNTAIN-SIZED. There is also border patrol just about every mile of fencing (and there always has been every since Clinton and Bush days). No one is stopping those people from entering. They are determined, maybe more so than Trump is from not letting them in.

I spent the day near a Navajo Indian reservation on the fourth of July. I didn't exactly plan that, but I found a beautiful Air bnb that I couldn't pass up, and I took my boy to a nearby park where he played with 3 Navajo children for 2 hours while I chatted with their grandmother. We talked about so many subjects behind those vast mountains, I forgot all about race and politics, and it reminded me what Martin Luther King's speech really meant, and the dream that he had. I've had many moments when I've seen that dream in reality, and then I connect to the internet to see the other side of things and I think it's setting us back 10 years every for every 1 we progress. I think people should turn off the computer, go outside, and talk to people. Take the time. That is the ONLY way we are ever going to move forward. If you guys don't believe anything I've ever written (and I'm fairly sure you don't), believe that.

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It seems like a popular question so far has been "what does racism look like?," and the answer is quite simple...

... Sorry for the profanity, it was necessary.

Thank you for your opinion.

About the profanity: I don't think it was necessary. It WAS understandable.

I'm sure you knew when you posted that some would not agree with you.

For the most part I have ignore non-violent racist words. As a kid growing up in a multi racial family in the 1940s and 50s and a young adult in the sixties it would often have been dangerous speak up in many circumstances.

I remember after we moved to California my Dad and other musicians would work with a realtor to purchase a house. The musician moving here from New York or another state would do everything by mail, phone, and sometimes an attorney. They encouraged their friends to come.

Most times when a Black musician moved in there were some neighbors welcoming them, and others who disapproved. But violence was rare.

PS: maybe this thread can be revived. I will start. We may not have the same taste in music. For example Miles Davis was not one of my favorites. (My favorite trumpet players are my Dad and Satchmo) If you are nosey enough to want to know who my favorite living trumpet player click the link , but give me a fw minutes.

https://allnurses-breakroom.com/lounge/any-nurses-nurse-698886.html:cheeky:

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Still not sure what you're saying racism is. You gave the example of the comments section of a YouTube video, is that the only racism that exists?

Just as a basic definition, is broadly describing a group based on their nationality, origin, religion, etc using false derogatory characterizations racist or biased?

It's obvious. If I have to explain why, then I don't think there is any way that you could understand. Sorry. It's completely obvious when it's present. It's not debatable, like this thread.

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Thank you for your opinion.

About the profanity: I don't think it was necessary. It WAS understandable.

I'm sure you knew when you posted that some would not agree with you.

For the most part I have ignore non-violent racist words. As a kid growing up in a multi racial family in the 1940s and 50s and a young adult in the sixties it would often have been dangerous speak up in many circumstances.

I remember after we moved to California my Dad and other musicians would work with a realtor to purchase a house. The musician moving here from New York or another state would do everything by mail, phone, and sometimes an attorney. They encouraged their friends to come.

Most times when a Black musician moved in there were some neighbors welcoming them, and others who disapproved. But violence was rare.

PS: maybe this thread can be revived. I will start. We may not have the same taste in music. For example Miles Davis was not one of my favorites. (My favorite trumpet players are my Dad and Satchmo) If you are nosey enough to want to know who my favorite living trumpet player click the link , but give me a fw minutes.

https://allnurses-breakroom.com/lounge/any-nurses-nurse-698886.html:cheeky:

I'll check out the thread tonight. I majored in music (guitar) and I played jazz with some of the greats:

Joey Defrancesco

Rod McKuen

Petula Clark

Joel DiBartolo

David "Fathead" Newman

Melvin Rhyne

Bryan Lynch (one of my professors and favorite trumpet players)

Claudio Roditi (trumpet, Brazil)

Julio Padron(trumpet, Cuba)

and many more, to name a few!

I don't miss the music business, but I miss playing with all of them surely!

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I'll check out the thread tonight. I majored in music (guitar) and I played jazz with some of the greats:

Joey Defrancesco

Rod McKuen

Petula Clark

Joel DiBartolo

David "Fathead" Newman

Melvin Rhyne

Bryan Lynch (one of my professors and favorite trumpet players)

Claudio Roditi (trumpet, Brazil)

Julio Padron(trumpet, Cuba)

and many more, to name a few!

I don't miss the music business, but I miss playing with all of them surely!

WOW! You must be good!

I hope you still play.

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Still not sure what you're saying racism is. You gave the example of the comments section of a YouTube video, is that the only racism that exists?

Just as a basic definition, is broadly describing a group based on their nationality, origin, religion, etc using false derogatory characterizations racist or biased?

You want examples from my life?

I lived in the south for a short time and got KKK leaflets weekly on my doorstep.

I heard people say "races shouldn't mix" and "stay with their own kind."

I've been asked, IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD "what the F#$ are you doing around here?" "Are you lost or something?" My response was, "I sometimes wonder that myself. Maybe I am lost." The rent was cheaper and that's what I could afford at the time. I guess I was too white to live there. Deal with it. I wasn't mad at all.

I saw a mother pull her two kids away from "dark" children in Peru and she told them (in French to disguise her racism) don't play with them, stay over here.

I was in South Africa and I heard old white ladies say "Blacks like to drink beer and fornicate, and that's it". Par for the course in the country of apartheid.

In Ecuador a local explained to me," The blacks live near the beach because that's the furthest they can be from working a job in the city" . I was speechless...

In Peru I heard a Father refer to his daughter's black boyfriend as "the shadow" and he went on to say "Apparently he goes to work everyday, but I don't exactly know what "work" means for "those people."

THAT, my friends is racism. Any questions? Can you see the difference? Racism is big, it's ugly, and it is shameless. Trump calling a football team SOBs and they HAPPEN to be rich white and black men doesn't even come close. That doesn't even show up on the radar for me. Sorry

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What about refusing to rent to people because of their race?

Is it racism to fire a man because he is Black?

How about if the owner didn't fire the man, but appealed the penalty for the illegal penalty?

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Oh good grief, I was not even talking about immigration!!

Maybe an example will help illustrate my point:

I recently saw a TV episode of Anthony Bourdain's show. For those who don't know he was a chef who traveled the world getting to know the different people of the world, how they cook, their culture, getting to know them personally and their community etc.

This particular episode showcased a community of coal workers in Virginia. He went to the community, got to know the people personally, their culture, their cooking, was invited into their home for meals etc.

During the show he said that prior to meeting the people personally him and his friends would talk about how we should not use coal and how those people affected by the closure of mines could just go and get another job. He said after meeting and getting to know the people/community he understood better and was able to see a different perspective.

This was my point, you cannot truly understand any certain geographic area unless you experience it first hand, and then its still not the same because even though you may have a better understanding after interacting with people, you do not live there and experience it everyday in the same way they do.

PS this community was multiracial so please do not make this about the race of the community.

I apologize for thinking you were attributing problems in your community to illegal immigration. In my opinion, the president seems intent on blaming many of our countries' woes to people coming across our southern border. When you mentioned that you were in the southwest I wrongly assumed you were implying your problems were due to the influx of immigrants.

And by the way, its seems disingenuous for you to call on people to come together and at the same time say we can't understand each others' issues.

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Nursej22, the reason you come together is because you do not understand each other, thus come together to have a discussion where you can hopefully talk and maybe learn from each other. Thank you for the apology.

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It's obvious. If I have to explain why, then I don't think there is any way that you could understand. Sorry. It's completely obvious when it's present. It's not debatable, like this thread.

Your opinion is not debatable.

Neither are the opinions of 79% of the blacks polled in the recent reputable poll previously linked.

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You make some valid points. And, I agree with your reasoning re: the law/arrest situation being different from your judgements on a personal or professional level. I realize that you were just using it as an analogy (and I do understand completely about the coffee!!) but judging personally (about milk)or at work is also different than judging someone on behavior and making public statements re: the "interpretation" of said behavior. The problem arises when the "interpretation" is wrong. (Exp. look at Nurseblaq interpretation of my statement assuming to know my life/experiences/motives). I also find being a racist to "certainly not be an appealing trait" (to put in mildly!) but at the same time I don't think it is right to publicly call someone that based on "interpretation" because I find it to be a serious accusation (not like accusing someone of drinking the milk). Just my opinion.

No ma'am, what you won't do is lie on me or my intentions. I asked you a direct question which you refused to answer, and still haven't answered. You don't get to use me as a pivot to be some faux victim. You're super petty!

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No ma'am, what you won't do is lie on me or my intentions. I asked you a direct question which you refused to answer, and still haven't answered. You don't get to use me as a pivot to be some faux victim. You're super petty!

Nurseblaq, your original post to me: Spoken like someone who never experienced/experiences racism.

My point was that you made an interpretation and/or assumption based on my words and then felt free to comment on that assumption whether it was true or not. This is exactly how problems arise when we state (or think) something is the truth when we (really) don't know at all. And, yes, it was a good example of what I have been trying to say so I used it.

And btw, you just did the same thing again. You called me ma'am, your assumption/interpretation of words.

Sometimes our assumptions are correct and sometimes they are not, hence the old term about making assumptions.

As I have repeatedly stated, I am under no obligation to answer your questions, but if it makes you feel better, I agree with the example OP used (above) that those are examples of racism/sterotyping.

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