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Time to protect the real victims of health care...our wealthy CEOs

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We also must not forget the collateral or secondary victims of this potentially senseless tragedy...the lobbyists and the politicians they financially support. For once, think of their incomes, and not about your own. How selfish are we to deny them their lifestyle that they have grown accustomed to? Aren't they entitled to every bit of this? Who are we to decide this for them? And who really needs a government free of corporate influence? We certainly don't. Things are great just the way they are.

So please, save the CEOs and their execs. Keep their business as usual.

As a patriotic American, we are counting on you to make a stand.

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Insurance Profit

...such a terrible thing to waste.

(Paid for by the Political Action Committee of the National Corporate Freedom & Funding in the Political Advancement of Corporate Human Services and Wealth)

Edited by Thunderwolf

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I've been a member of moveon.org for a long time. They make great PSA's. This one is really excellent.

I am stealing it and posting it to my facebook account!

Good job, Mr. Ferrell and company...for saying what needs to be said with humor that really hits home.

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aww... :cry:

Those poor... poor insurance executives... We have stop this madness!!

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someone sent this to me tonight . . those poor congressmen and women too. :crying2:

perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.

 

our senators and congresswomen do not pay into social security and, of course, they do not collect from it.

 

you see, social security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. they felt they should have a special plan for themselves so, many years ago they voted in theirownbenefit plan.

 

in more recent years, no congress person has felt the need to change it. after all, it is a great plan..

for all practical purposes their plan works like this:

 

when they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.

except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments. .....

 

for example, senator byrd and congressman white and their wives may expect to draw $7, 800,000.00 (that's seven million, eight-hundred thousand dollars), with their wives drawing $275, 000..00 during the last years of their lives.

this is calculated on an average life span for each of those dignitaries.

 

younger dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives.

their cost for this excellent plan to them is $0.00.. nada!!! zilch!!!

this little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. you and i pick up the tab for this plan. the funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the general funds;

 

"our tax dollars at work"!

from our own social security plan, which you and i pay (or have paid) into, every payday until we retire (which amount is matched byour employer), we can expect to get an average of

$1,000 per month after retirement.

 

or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal senator bill bradley's benefits!

social security could be very good if only one small change were made.

 

that change would be to

jerk the golden fleece retirement plan from under the senators and congressmen. . put them into the social security plan with the rest of us

then sit back......

and see how fast they would fix it!

Edited by Spidey's mom

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Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.

That change would be to. . . Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us. Then sit back...... And see how fast they would fix it!

Nice thought, wouldn't happen. Most are either rich, or their gig in Congress will lead them to riches. They don't need SS or their golden parachutes to retire and would not trade the political advantage of using the People's money to make the People dependent upon their benevolence.

A real plan for fixing Social Security:

http://www.timothyforcongress.com/?p=22

"The government should continue to maintain its promises to current and coming retirees. If we don’t find ways to make the system stronger and solvent down the road, at some point, the system will break down. It’s simply unfair to risk breaking our future promises in the name of current political expediency.

 

The real problem is the complete lack of trust in the program for future generations. Few people under forty believe that they will ever receive a Social Security check. That rampant distrust will serve to eventually undermine the system, especially as taxes will have to drastically increase to fund that system. We must place a real value to Social Security instead of issuing more IOUs."

~faith,

Timothy.

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SS is off topic FWIW.....

Snopes.com on congressional pensions at http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/pensions.asp congressman do pay into SS and their pension benefits are based on a multiplier of years of service times a percentage.

The real question is: Why are we paying hundreds of millions a year to insurance executives in salaries and pensions?

Edited by HM2VikingRN

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http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcongress.htm

It's true that members of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives enjoy a relatively generous government pension plan -- some say too generous -- but this email offers very little else in the way of accuracy.

Under a law enacted in 1983, all members of Congress both contribute to and receive benefits from the Social Security system. Upon retirement, members receive either a combination of federal pension and Social Security benefits or Social Security alone, depending upon when their term of service started and how they configured their individual plan.

I hope this link works. I've been lurking around this site for a long time and have really enjoyed all of your spirited

conversations. I'm still learning how to post ... I hope I don't offend anyone. :):)

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http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcongress.htm

It's true that members of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives enjoy a relatively generous government pension plan -- some say too generous -- but this email offers very little else in the way of accuracy.

Under a law enacted in 1983, all members of Congress both contribute to and receive benefits from the Social Security system. Upon retirement, members receive either a combination of federal pension and Social Security benefits or Social Security alone, depending upon when their term of service started and how they configured their individual plan.

I hope this link works. I've been lurking around this site for a long time and have really enjoyed all of your spirited

conversations. I'm still learning how to post ... I hope I don't offend anyone. :):)

No no . . it is fine! :up:

And welcome!:yeah:

I almost never post things I get in an email . . . but it does make a good point (within the topic) about how some folks get too much. :D

Congress is far from above the fray when it comes to this.

As to salaries and pensions for private businesses . . . . that is the business of the shareholders and employees.

I'm not a fan of the government coming in and telling a private business how much it can reward it's employees.

steph

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http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcongress.htm

It's true that members of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives enjoy a relatively generous government pension plan -- some say too generous -- but this email offers very little else in the way of accuracy.

Under a law enacted in 1983, all members of Congress both contribute to and receive benefits from the Social Security system. Upon retirement, members receive either a combination of federal pension and Social Security benefits or Social Security alone, depending upon when their term of service started and how they configured their individual plan.

I hope this link works. I've been lurking around this site for a long time and have really enjoyed all of your spirited

conversations. I'm still learning how to post ... I hope I don't offend anyone. :):)

Here is what Members of Congress get:

1. 174K in salary (224K for leaders)

2. About 60K/yr in retirement contributions.

3. 1.6 Million dollars/yr to set up office in D.C., 2 Offices in District, and hire staff.

4. Travel budget based on distance of district from D.C. (military provided private jet for certain leaders)

Those are just the "official" compensations.

They can tell you that they pay and receive social security. However. That's the tip of the iceberg.

And to think the House required ME, as a candidate, to submit a full Financial Disclosure. ME?! I'm just a little ole' RN with an average salary and an AVERAGE retirement package (and to fit into the thread topic, an average health insurance policy, as well. LOL.)

~faith,

Timothy.

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