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You are reading page 30 of The truth about Hillary Clinton. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

In my opinion terrorism is not justifiable.

Perhaps a little history can help us try for perspective.

"A Christian Perspective on Islam and Terrorism""How can people do such evil things in the name of religion?

Since September 11, people around the world have been asking this question.

The atrocities of that day shocked and astounded.

As horrific as they were, Christians must still be guided by the wisdom of our Lord Jesus who said,

"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

… You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."...

A Christian Perspective on Islam and Terrorism | CBN.com

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So, why didn't you write "radical Islam" instead of "Western-hating culture"? It's the conflation of radical religious warfare with the whole religion that's ignorant and extremely sloppy thinking. ETA: radical Islam =/= Islamic culture.

I still fail to see how radical Islam is being forced down anyone's throat in this country. I also fail to see how to eliminate any radical Islamic elements in this country without severely violating the Constitution. As long as you define the problem in terms of religion, rather than actual terroristic behavior or speech that calls for the violent overthrow of the government, you're going to run into that problem.

As for comparisons with Christianity ... that's a whole other thread. For purposes of this one, I'll just say that ISIS hasn't done anything in the name of Jihad that hasn't also been done in the name of Christianity. Christians already control the US, so they don't have any reason to get physical at this time, although many Christian preachers have publicly fantasized about it.

Freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are three of the most radical ideas enshrined in the Constitution ... that's where true American Exceptionalism lies, not in our self-appointed role as thought police to "freedom-loving peoples of the world". Or guardians of the wealth of the .01%.

Religous dogma is frequently in compatible with those three enshrined tennants One cannot be the thought police, though plenty try.

I say they should be required to assimilate onto entry in the country. I was not propose regime change constantly, and forcing this elsewhere.

Prevention is the best means of safety. These things are already happening in Europe where radical Islam is being forced down others throats. Europe followed apeasement strategy by allowing separate non secular laws. Well it didn't allow them to live peacefully, and now it's worse.

We can talk about extending those three enshrined rights to everyone, but it only works if they accept the premise. If we want to go with the soviergenty of nations argument well...... Them assimilation of certain values upon immigration to a new country is not an unreasonable expectation. Frequently however many Muslims have been demanding exemption from secular laws based off their belief in sharia law takes precidence. Not only that, but they have been attempting to force it on non Muslims in countries they have immigrated too.

The Denmark cartoons are a good example of that. Some Christians attempt it as well, but Islam is the worst perpetrator of it right now.

Its complicated obeying the spirit, and letter of those values. However I do not think people who do not assimilate those three should be allowed entry into the states.

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http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Here some statistics. Subject to error, but otherwise we are confined to purely perception arguments.

Some more stats on it.

Islam/Muslim statistics on violence, rape, terror, sharia, and Isis

Most European Muslims want sharia | Dispatch International

Yes, yes I know sharia the old talking point. However I would doubt you could find similar stats on the enforcement of Leviticus laws among Christians. Although some of them they have clung to "spirit" interpretations of the original letter of the law.

Forcing my beliefs down others throats violates my own, but allowing others to sabotage my way of life also violates it. I am not talking about money, but about secular principles of the enlightenment.

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So ... In what way is Islam being forced down anyone's throat in the US and what does that have to do with Hillary Clinton?

So you never heard Clinton wants to import 550% more Syrian refugees who are a vast majority Islamic? Try to keep up with things.

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That's because, unlike Trump, Clinton is not terrified. She has recognized that terrorism is a problem to be dealt with, but is also aware that ISIS is losing on the ground. (Something that Trump and his defense industry buddies would prefer you don't pay attention to.) Because they are losing on the ground, ISIS is now emphasizing the radicalization of individuals in place in order to carry out small scale activity by local citizens. We need to address the reasons our citizens are being radicalized. Going all John Wayne with the nukes isn't going to do that. Nor is it going to make us any friends.

As for the "Western-hating culture" ... once again, you're overgeneralizing from ignorance. Which culture? African Islam? Morocco? Afghanistan? India? Europe? The Balkans? Indonesia? Pakistan? There have been Muslims in this country since its founding ... so, is it American Muslim culture you're talking about? It is true that diversity is a dirty word to the radical right, so I'm not surprised that you have trouble wrapping your head around the concept of culture and the fact that there are many of them.

What those diverse cultures have in common is the religion of Islam. How is Islam being forced down anyone's throat? In this country, Muslims don't seem to proselytize anywhere near as much as Christians ... so who's forcing what down whose throat?

Speaking of "Western-hating" ... Trump's bromance with Putin, the Russian mob and various Eastern European dictators has him cozying up to a major US adversary in a way that, if Clinton did it, would have you charging her with treason.

Clinton proved to us already that radical Muslims killing Americans don't bother her.

Love your Putin conspiracy theory! Tin foil pyramid hats for everyone!

Only a uninformed alarmist thinks that the president solely launches nuclear weapons.

Give us an example of the Muslims who were here during the founding of our country or retract your mistruths.

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It's understood that people want a safe life, but American on American crime is more a threat to me than a Jihad place on me. Christians who want to take away my rights as an American gay man are more of a threat to my way of life.

Just sayin'

But yet Muslims throw gays off of buildings and kill them...

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I am embarrassed at how terrified Trump is of ISIS. That ANY American would so quickly accede to the demands of a terrorist organization like Trump has is embarrassing.

ISIS makes demands on the US and threatens terrorist attacks if we don't comply. Trump is among the very first to go public with his calls to give in to the ISIS demands. Even worse so many Americans support his calls to roll over and lick ISIS's boots. When did we become such chickens?

Might be time to remove the words "home of the brave" from the national anthem.

Yeah instead we should import even more into the US. Wow the cluelessness is amazing! Only the uninformed think ISIS is the junior varsity.

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But yet Muslims throw gays off of buildings and kill them...

I'm more likely to get gay bashed by f*g hating Americans than being thrown off a building by a radical Islamist terrorist.

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Why don't you try to compare modern day Christianity vs radical Islam. You're just embarrassing yourself..... sympathizing with terrorists, much?

Unless I'm misinterpreting your post.... I'm actually unclear of what your point is the more I re-read your post.

I have learned that you can't fix stupid. :-)

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I suppose "I made mistake and was wrong" is a lie. I suppose saying anything "I was a criminal handing over top secret information to compromise our country and I should be locked up" is a lie.

Are you claiming that Hillary did not blatantly lie in the about her server? So you are saying it is OK to break the law just as long as you apologize?

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