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On 6/4/2020 at 1:02 AM, Lucylu71 said:

When I posted this, I had not yet seen any story that pepper balls were used.  I would agree not too much difference.

Hiwever, as I said earlier, the protesters were likely told to move before they were forced to.  Based on other events in the same area in the preceding days, not surprised and have no problem with pepper balls or tear gas being used.  The right to protest doesn't mean you can be where and whenever you want.

As I'm sure you're aware, the police or SS diesnt tske tactical orders from the president.   The park police stated they weren't even aware he was coming at the time.

There doesn't appear to be any contention, much less evidence, that crowd clearing tactics were an escalation resulting from an unruly crowd.  And I dont think the actions of rioters the day before in any way justify strong armed totalitarian dictator tactics against a group of protesters than had been peacefully protesting the whole day.

I agree the right to protest isn't unlimited, there is a time and place. But this was the appropriate time as it was before the curfew time, and if there is any place in the US where protesting is appropriate its Lafayette square in DC.  The history of Lafayette square as a place to protest goes back to before the construction of the White House was even completed.

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3 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

Sure.  You said something similar about Trump should have taken this moment to shine and lead.

Whatever he or the Republicans might have done woukd have made no difference to the Trump haters.

That must be why they don't even try to unite the country, eh? All those mean words from the Trump haters...no point in taking any patriotic stand of empathy and leadership. 

😂

I am not sure why we should be surprised by such a pathetic excuse for failed leadership. 

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6 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

Sure.  You said something similar about Trump should have taken this moment to shine and lead.

Whatever he or the Republicans might have done woukd have made no difference to the Trump haters.

Surely, you joke.

Nobody, not even me, an avowed Trump hater, would begrudge the man if he actually decided to behave as a moral human being and act like a leader.

So, surely, you joke.

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5 hours ago, MunoRN said:

There doesn't appear to be any contention, much less evidence, that crowd clearing tactics were an escalation resulting from an unruly crowd.  And I dont think the actions of rioters the day before in any way justify strong armed totalitarian dictator tactics against a group of protesters than had been peacefully protesting the whole day.

I agree the right to protest isn't unlimited, there is a time and place. But this was the appropriate time as it was before the curfew time, and if there is any place in the US where protesting is appropriate its Lafayette square in DC.  The history of Lafayette square as a place to protest goes back to before the construction of the White House was even completed.

Lafayette Square was a slave selling site.

So, it seems to me it definitely belongs to the people of this country.

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The central feature of Trump’s presidency: False claims and disinformation

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In 2003, George W. Bush’s administration was thrown off course for months, with a top official offering his resignation and a White House aide eventually convicted of perjury, after the president’s State of the Union address included 16 words — “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa” — that turned out to be based on inconclusive evidence.

By contrast, Trump routinely says dozens of things in each State of the Union address, campaign rally and major speech that are flat wrong — with barely any consequence.

As Trump runs for reelection, his unparalleled reliance on misleading and exaggerated claims has emerged as a defining feature of his boundary-busting presidency.
 

When did conservatives stop caring about honesty and integrity?

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The central feature of Trump’s presidency: False claims and disinformation

When did conservatives stop caring about honesty and integrity?

Perhaps they haven't.

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Former President George W. Bush won’t support the re-election of Mr. Trump, and Jeb Bush isn’t sure how he’ll vote, say people familiar with their thinking. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah won’t back Mr. Trump and is deliberating whether to again write in his wife, Ann, or cast another ballot this November. And Cindy McCain, the widow of Senator John McCain, is almost certain to support Mr. Biden but is unsure how public to be about it because one of her sons is eying a run for office.

Vote for Trump? These Republican Leaders Aren’t on the Bandwagon

 

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12 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

Sure.  You said something similar about Trump should have taken this moment to shine and lead.

Whatever he or the Republicans might have done woukd have made no difference to the Trump haters.

Of course not.  Haters are going to find something to criticize regardless and nothing he does will be right in their eyes.  But I do long for the days when a tan suit was criticized instead of what we have now.

Still he might have avoided the harsh criticism he's gotten from within his own party, religious leaders and minorities.  There wouldn't be any talk of his leadership being his undoing or him losing states he had a stronghold in like Ohio.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/501427-ohio-is-suddenly-a-2020-battleground

At the end of the day it isn't his job to please his haters or his supporters.  It's to lead with conscious, decency and strength.  He failed.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/501480-trump-is-playing-with-fire-rather-than-leading

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4 hours ago, chare said:

Perhaps they haven't.

 

Agree, Chare.

There are plenty of True Conservatives who don't support Trump.

George Will.

Justin Amash.

Jennifer Rubin.

The members of the Lincoln Project.

William Weld.

Those come to my sleep deprived brain, after a 12.5 hour overnight shift.

Right-wingers are not Conservatives.

And I see right-wingers as not caring about honesty and integrity.

 

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Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley said Thursday he will block two of President Donald Trump's nominees from moving forward in the confirmation process until the administration provides "adequate reasons" for firing the inspectors general of the intelligence community and State Department. 

The move marks an escalation by Grassley after White House counsel Pat Cipollone chose not to explain why Trump had removed the two inspectors general last month, instead emphasizing the President's legal authority to do so.

Continuing on the theme that not all Republicans are supporting Trump.  

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/grassley-block-trump-nominees/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-06-04T23%3A51%3A02&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN

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And another.

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Former Republican Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday that President Donald Trump has "drifted away" from the Constitution, adding to a growing list of former top military officials who have strongly criticized the President's response to the nationwide protests surrounding the police killing of George Floyd.

"We have a Constitution. And we have to follow that Constitution. And the President has drifted away from it," Powell, a retired general who served under President George W. Bush, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."

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Colin Powell: Trump has 'drifted away' from the Constitution

 

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3 hours ago, chare said:

And another.

 

Drifted???

Sprinted, is more like it.

But I realize Powell was attempting to be kind.

 

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True Conservative Jennifer Rubin has another excellent column in today's WaPo:

Do Not Underestimate The Power Of This Moment

No wonder Trump is hiding from the American people!

In the last 10 days, we have proved UNITED against all the hate, lies, bigotry and fear, that he works so hard to spread.

November will be a reckoning for Trump!

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