Jump to content
Tweety Tweety (Member) Expert Nurse

The President Donald Trump Thread

Politics   (11,793,869 Views 8,945 Comments)
6 Followers; 53,057 Visitors; 29,241 Posts
If you find this topic helpful leave a comment.

You are reading page 737 of The President Donald Trump Thread. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

On 4/20/2020 at 9:46 AM, Lil Nel said:
On 4/20/2020 at 8:37 AM, chare said:

KY: Population, 4,499,696; confirmed cases, 2,960; fatalities, 146; cases per 100,000, 65.8; fatalities per 100,000, 3.2.  

TN: Population, 6,897,576; confirmed cases, 7,070; fatalities, 148; cases per 100,000, 102.5; fatalities per 100,000, 2.1.

Population data retrieved from World Population Review's  US States site.  COVID case and fatality data retrieved from Johns Hopkins University’s COVID-19 United States Cases by County map. 

Thanks Chare for showing the numbers that prove KY has fewer coronavirus cases than TN.

Yes, if you just look at the total numbers KY has fewer positive COVID-19 cases than TN (KY 3,050; TN 7,238).  However, this doesn’t take into consideration the total number tested.  When you consider the fact that TN has tested slightly more than three times the patients then KY (KY 32,820; TN 100,689), this really isn’t surprising.

KY: Total tested 32,820; positive 3,050; negative, 29,770.  Recovered 1,174.  Deaths 154

TN: Total tested 100,689; positive 7,238; negative, 93,451.  Recovered 3,575.  Deaths 152

Data retrieved from The COVID Tracking Project’s Most Recent Data site.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, chare said:

Yes, if you just look at the total numbers KY has fewer positive COVID-19 cases than TN (KY 3,050; TN 7,238).  However, this doesn’t take into consideration the total number tested.  When you consider the fact that TN has tested slightly more than three times the patients then KY (KY 32,820; TN 100,689), this really isn’t surprising.

KY: Total tested 32,820; positive 3,050; negative, 29,770.  Recovered 1,174.  Deaths 154

TN: Total tested 100,689; positive 7,238; negative, 93,451.  Recovered 3,575.  Deaths 152

Data retrieved from The COVID Tracking Project’s Most Recent Data site.

That's fair to look at it that way.

However, that brings up the question why is TN doing more testing?  Aren't CDC guidelines that you have to have certain symptoms or be exposed to a known positive person?  In that respect then one still can look at KY as doing a better job at containment.

Correct me if I'm wrong.  Because that's how it's done here in FL

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Tweety said:

That's fair to look at it that way.

However, that brings up the question why is TN doing more testing?  Aren't CDC guidelines that you have to have certain symptoms or be exposed to a known positive person?  In that respect then one still can look at KY as doing a better job at containment.

Correct me if I'm wrong.  Because that's how it's done here in FL

The CDC has guidelines but leaves the decision up to states and local jurisdictions. Originally, tested was limited in large part because of limited supplies. Also, the tests have a fair amount of false negative results, and persons with COVID-19 symptoms but a negative test should still be considered to have COVID-19. 

We originally tested only symptomatic and household contacts. We tested everyone in a local nursing home when 5 people had symptoms. Most residents (40) and many staff tested positive. Outpatient surgery is doing pre-op testing and some employers want positive cases to show a negative result before returning to work. I understand in one of the harder hit counties in our state, testing is getting bogged down by people sent by employers. 

Our state is preparing for wide-spread testing, but we need to have the technology in place to handle all the data that will be collected. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

The CDC has guidelines but leaves the decision up to states and local jurisdictions. Originally, tested was limited in large part because of limited supplies. Also, the tests have a fair amount of false negative results, and persons with COVID-19 symptoms but a negative test should still be considered to have COVID-19. 

We originally tested only symptomatic and household contacts. We tested everyone in a local nursing home when 5 people had symptoms. Most residents (40) and many staff tested positive. Outpatient surgery is doing pre-op testing and some employers want positive cases to show a negative result before returning to work. I understand in one of the harder hit counties in our state, testing is getting bogged down by people sent by employers. 

Our state is preparing for wide-spread testing, but we need to have the technology in place to handle all the data that will be collected. 

Yes, I figured it was different in different states.  But I do think it's a fair statement that most states, including TN and KY, aren't yet doing widespread testing, or on demand testing, but testing for a reason to conserve limited testing supplies which lead me to ask are there more tests being done in TN because there are more symptomatic and exposed persons?

I'm not sure I've heard mention of widespread testing of asymptomatic people here in FL that haven't had an exposure.  I don't think the state wants to know because it might be bad for business.  But the governor did order all nursing homes be tested and the results aren't coming out good for a few, but not too bad overall.  One nursing home, as you know from my conversation in the Daily Thread, evacuated last week and is still closed.

Still in Florida you can't get tested just because you want a test, nor are they doing random or massive screening yet.  

I know someone without insurance that is going to the health department because she's sick and her appointment is two days from now.  Also another friend in another county is fine but had an exposure and same thing, she has to wait two days for a test.  So a lot of testing is going on to a lot of people with symptoms or exposures to positives.  It goes to show that Florida isn't out of the woods yet.  Still of those tested, I think the rate is about 10% of them being positive.  Maybe we'll get to the point where screening on everyone can be done, but obviously with a two-day waiting period now isn't the time here.

Edited by Tweety

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Tweety said:

That's fair to look at it that way.

However, that brings up the question why is TN doing more testing?  Aren't CDC guidelines that you have to have certain symptoms or be exposed to a known positive person?  In that respect then one still can look at KY as doing a better job at containment.

Correct me if I'm wrong.  Because that's how it's done here in FL

The testing isnt consistent among different communities.  When I hear "new cases" have increased, that's not very meaningful to me.  In many places, that might just mean the testing capacity keeps increasing each day. 

Plus, some aren't getting tested.  At my hospital,  only if your getting admitted.  I know I've seen some who likely had it but didnt get tested.

Where I'm at, the state website has hospitalizations and other data that's more useful.  When I'm at work , I can see how many beds, ICU beds, vents, etc are taken or available at each hospital.  We are nowhere near capacity for any of that.

Kentucky is way behind in testing.  As a % of population, tested half as many as Tennessee.  About the same number as deaths, but TN has 50% bigger population.

Kinda goes against the theory that the KY governor's strict mitigation measures are saving lives.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, chare said:

Yes, if you just look at the total numbers KY has fewer positive COVID-19 cases than TN (KY 3,050; TN 7,238).  However, this doesn’t take into consideration the total number tested.  When you consider the fact that TN has tested slightly more than three times the patients then KY (KY 32,820; TN 100,689), this really isn’t surprising.

KY: Total tested 32,820; positive 3,050; negative, 29,770.  Recovered 1,174.  Deaths 154

TN: Total tested 100,689; positive 7,238; negative, 93,451.  Recovered 3,575.  Deaths 152

Data retrieved from The COVID Tracking Project’s Most Recent Data site.

There is an excellent piece in today's WaPo, Chare, comparing Rhode Island's testing rate and infection rate with Kentucky's.

My home state, and adopted state!

RI has been able to do more wide spread testing, than KY.

KY can only test the sickest folks, due to a lack of test kits.

Although, in the past week or so, there was been some testing of exposed healthcare workers.

The lack of wide spread testing skews the numbers up.

Maybe you could post the piece.

It is an interesting read.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I will amend my above statement about Florida. It seems different Health Departments are doing different things.  Sarasota County which is two counties down and has a wealthier tax base and half the population of my county is doing more testing of asymptomatic people.  I have a friend that volunteers for hospice down there doing notary republic and got testing just based on the fact that he went into their facility.  The facility has no positive cases and he had no exposure and no symptoms and tested negative. 

They have about half the cases as the county we live in with half the population and are doing more testing.  So it would seem we are more of a hot spot.  That's expected as we have more nursing homes and are more densely populated.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/30/2019 at 7:32 PM, Tweety said:

Didn't Flynn plead guilty of a felony.  Was he treated unfairly?  

Yawn.

Yep.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/31/2019 at 4:49 AM, Lil Nel said:

Yes.

The disgraced General did plead GUILTY.

He was one of the first Trumpsters to be caught by Mueller.

Set up by the FBI of a corrupt Obama administration

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Lucylu71 said:

Set up by the FBI of a corrupt Obama administration

 

Yep...because the obviously corrupt president said the Obama FBI is corrupt...bwahahahaha

While Trump is behaving like a despot, his fans respond to the call to "look over there..."

Funny

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
×

This site uses cookies. By using this site, you consent to the placement of these cookies. Read our Privacy, Cookies, and Terms of Service Policies to learn more.