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4 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I also work for a local health department. We do not have the kits, but we do collect specimens (nasopharengeal, oropharyngeal and sputum) package them and ship them to the state public health lab who has the testing kits. There is no cost, but we have to get prior approval before sending. The University of Washington lab has been approved to conduct tests, but I don't know if they will charge. 

My clinic doesn't do that, nursej.

Of course, you are in WA state.

We have been instructed to call the State Health Department for instructions if a person presents with symptoms, and has traveled abroad.

We also give the patient a mask, and put them in a negative pressure room.

Right now, that room is the office that houses a pregnant co-worker.

Frankly, I have surprised that we haven't received updated guidelines or instructions now that the virus is in the States.

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48 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

And Trump, in yet another moronic move, which could have serious impacts to public health, disputes that number.

His "gut" tells him it is wrong, baloney.

He made his idiotic comments to Sean Hannity.

There are happy idiots, and dangerous partisan idiots.

Trump is latter.

I forced myself to listen to that "interview" with the propagandist this morning with coffee and no Irish Cream. It was torture. 

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While I find nothing funny about coronavirus, I did smile while reading this piece this morning.

From today's NY Times:

The Rich Are Preparing Differently For Coronavirus

I especially enjoyed the description of Gwyneth Paltrow's "skin smoothing" face mask.

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9 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

That's not quite true.

I work for a local health department.

We have no testing kits.

We will not get them.

We don't test.

If it was as simple as telling folks; 'oops, an error,' I highly doubt that high-ranking folks in the health care community would be lobbying to get costs reduced or waived.

After all, they have better things to do with their time, right now.

And I doubt the federal government would be involved, when all the billing department of the hospital and ambulance service has to say is 'oops.'

Ambulance fees are involved.

That generally has nothing to do with hospitals.

Testing is currently only available through public health departments and designated Universities with testing managed by state health agencies, this doesn't mean all health departments have testing kits, in my state it is only one designated university and one country health department that actually have the kits.  

The coronavirus spending package includes funding for testing through public health departments, although those departments have some leeway in exactly how they will use those funds.

I would agree those flown back, who agreed to pay the costs of their evacuation, should have clarified what this included and didn't include.

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46 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Testing is currently only available through public health departments and designated Universities with testing managed by state health agencies, this doesn't mean all health departments have testing kits, in my state it is only one designated university and one country health department that actually have the kits.  

The coronavirus spending package includes funding for testing through public health departments, although those departments have some leeway in exactly how they will use those funds.

I would agree those flown back, who agreed to pay the costs of their evacuation, should have clarified what this included and didn't include.

As a local health department employee, I have no idea which hospital is testing, or health department.

I know three people in my state have been tested.

We are located five minutes down the road from a community hospital.

They plan to hold a mock conronvirus drill on Tuesday.

They requested someone from my agency attend.

No word yet, on who will go.

It is clear to me, that this country is woefully unprepared for what we are now facing.

And today, Pence admitted the country doesn't have enough testing kits.

 

 

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56 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Testing is currently only available through public health departments and designated Universities with testing managed by state health agencies, this doesn't mean all health departments have testing kits, in my state it is only one designated university and one country health department that actually have the kits.  

The coronavirus spending package includes funding for testing through public health departments, although those departments have some leeway in exactly how they will use those funds.

I would agree those flown back, who agreed to pay the costs of their evacuation, should have clarified what this included and didn't include.

I did read today that Pence private insurance will pay for testing.

HHS has mandated testing is essential healthcare, and must be covered.

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

Testing is currently only available through public health departments and designated Universities with testing managed by state health agencies, this doesn't mean all health departments have testing kits, in my state it is only one designated university and one country health department that actually have the kits.  

The coronavirus spending package includes funding for testing through public health departments, although those departments have some leeway in exactly how they will use those funds.

I would agree those flown back, who agreed to pay the costs of their evacuation, should have clarified what this included and didn't include.

From CNBC:

The Coronavirus Test Will Be Covered By Medicaid, Medicare And Private Insurance Pence Says

The caveat is the following: "...unlike other mandated diagnostic tests, like mammograms, it will still require cost-sharing."

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

Testing is currently only available through public health departments and designated Universities with testing managed by state health agencies, this doesn't mean all health departments have testing kits, in my state it is only one designated university and one country health department that actually have the kits.  

The coronavirus spending package includes funding for testing through public health departments, although those departments have some leeway in exactly how they will use those funds.

I would agree those flown back, who agreed to pay the costs of their evacuation, should have clarified what this included and didn't include.

As for your last paragraph, how would the evacuees clarified costs?

They were in the middle of an emergent situation, and the US government isn't clear on who is responsible for paying for quarantine care.

So how exactly would clarification be forth coming?

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17 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

As for your last paragraph, how would the evacuees clarified costs?

They were in the middle of an emergent situation, and the US government isn't clear on who is responsible for paying for quarantine care.

So how exactly would clarification be forth coming?

Evacuating to the US to finish their quarantine period wasn't emergent, it was optional, many choose to stay and complete quarantine period there.  Prior to taking the state department chartered flight back, they were given the cost of the flight and had to agree to cover the cost, at that point a reasonable question would have been whether that was the only potential cost involved, particularly when they knew there would placed in quarantine again on arrival.

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54 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Evacuating to the US to finish their quarantine period wasn't emergent, it was optional, many choose to stay and complete quarantine period there.  Prior to taking the state department chartered flight back, they were given the cost of the flight and had to agree to cover the cost, at that point a reasonable question would have been whether that was the only potential cost involved, particularly when they knew there would placed in quarantine again on arrival.

I completely disagree with your assessment.

Those people were most certainly facing an emergent situation.

They were in China, where cases were multiplying daily, and whole apartment buildings and cities were quarantined.

People are dying.

Hospitals are full, and taking no new patients.

How on earth, is that not an emergent situation?

Do you not have an answer as to why the US government still doesn't know who will pay for quarantine care?

First, you said it was a billing oops.

Now, it was the responsibility of the evacuees to know the answer up front.

Unfortunately, the US government didn't, and doesn't know the answer.

 

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11 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

I completely disagree with your assessment.

Those people were most certainly facing an emergent situation.

They were in China, where cases were multiplying daily, and whole apartment buildings and cities were quarantined.

People are dying.

Hospitals are full, and taking no new patients.

How on earth, is that not an emergent situation?

Do you not have an answer as to why the US government still doesn't know who will pay for quarantine care?

First, you said it was a billing oops.

Now, it was the responsibility of the evacuees to know the answer up front.

Unfortunately, the US government didn't, and doesn't know the answer.

 

Your claim of "emergent" was in the context of a process too rushed to ask questions, which this was clearly not.  This wasn't someone rolled into an ER having a STEMI, that's a situation where figuring out cost obligations isn't feasible due to an emergent situation, making arrangements to continue a quarantine in the US is not the same context.

But to your point, no, I don't agree that returning to the US is clearly beneficial for these people, there's not good evidence that they are less likely to get or to die from the Coronavirus by being here or by flying back in a plane with those with confirmed coronavirus infections.

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Well, well.

From today's NY Times:

Judge Calls Barr's Handling Of Mueller Report 'Distorted' And 'Misleading'

Poor Donald John Trump.

He just wants Russia, Russia, Russia to go away, but it won't.

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