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1 hour ago, Lucylu71 said:

Actually, there are clear signs that it is not nearly virulent.  So any comparison to the 1918 flu and suggesting 7 million in the US will die is overhyping the current situation.

"it is not nearly virulent" based on...?

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1 hour ago, Lucylu71 said:

We don't know that.  You'd have to test large population to get that number.  Right now we are only testing known sick people who fit a certain criteria.

There are others infected out there who only have mild or no symptoms who are not being counted.

It's the same unit of measurement used in other infectious diseases, the number of deaths per number of confirmed cases, not all infections are laboratory confirmed typically due to lack of symptom severity.  In the 1918 flu pandemic there were undoubtedly a large number of cases that were not counted as well.

So, yes, these are comparable numbers.

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5 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

It's the same unit of measurement used in other infectious diseases, the number of deaths per number of confirmed cases, not all infections are laboratory confirmed typically due to lack of symptom severity.  In the 1918 flu pandemic there were undoubtedly a large number of cases that were not counted as well.

So, yes, these are comparable numbers.

"Serological testing of a large number of people in a community is necessary in order to pick up asymptomatic cases and arrive at a “denominator” number of actual people infected (though possibly not sick). (A serological test for antibodies is not the same as the (RT)-PCR test now being used to diagnose COVID-19 disease.) Usually, once this more accurate count of infections can be made, the denominator increases (often significantly) and the death rate goes down—not up. In other words, we may be seeing the worst of this infection now, among already identified cases, and we are likely to see the death rate drop in the future. A serologic test for this coronavirus appears to be on the horizon, and may soon be available to help with tracking and controlling the spread of this virus."

Lots of good info in this article:

https://ajnoffthecharts.com/covid-19-for-nurses-skip-the-rumors-and-stick-to-the-basics/

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19 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

"it is not nearly virulent" based on...?

For starters, demographics.  The 1918 flu had a high mortality for every age group.  Not so with this coronavirus.

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Again, I posted headline of story in NY Times which very neatly discusses comparisons between novel coronavirus to flu.

And there is an easy to read piece in today's WaPo, which tells you everything you need to know, or want to know about the virus.

I urge all to read trusted sources of information, before seriously considering unforced information from the Cult.

The piece in the Times, discusses how Trump had NO IDEA that Americans die each year from the flu.

He was AMAZED.

Yes, who knew folks, that the flu can be deadly?

Certainly not Donald John Trump!

Spreading misinformation, some of it Russian propaganda, some of it moronic musings from Rush Limbaugh and Tom Cotton is how the Cult intends to protect DJT from any negative effects from coronavirus.

Even if you know it is crap, why help to normalize it, by appearing to consider its legitimacy?

 

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14 hours ago, MunoRN said:

 

There's an admirable tendency to take something Trump says that lacks clarity, and assume what he meant to say was something informed and/or reasonable, until he goes out of his way to insist he actually meant the misinformed and/or unreasoned interpretation. In this case, my first assumption that the "hoax" he was referring to was the supposed claim that democrats are blaming Trump for the virus existing, which I would agree is a "hoax", but then he points out that he's actually saying that this isn't likely to be a pandemic.  He was basically hand-fed the opportunity to clarify that at a press conference today, and yet still couldn't manage to that.

He said this at a press conference today about the number of Americans infected and what to expect going forward: "And again when you have 15 people - and the 15 within a couple of days will be down close to zero - that's a pretty good jobs we've done".  That is possibly one of the most stupid statements ever uttered by a human being.

The COVID-19 virus has a nearly identical mortality rate to the 1918 flu pandemic, and while it's not yet clear if the virulence is also comparable, if it is then that would result in 7 million deaths in the US alone.  That's not a small deal and can't really be overhyped.  

The same was true of his other frequent references to a "hoax", mainly Russia and Impeachment, both of which he wildly mischaracterized.  Russia clearly interfered using propaganda and there were members of his campaign with ties to the Russian government, it's also clear that he did in fact suggest withholding security aid to Ukraine in exchange for a personal political favor.  

And even if what he's talking about is if he or administration is deserving of any criticism over our readiness for an epidemic, or their handling of COVID-19 then it's hard to say there isn't valid criticism.  Trump effectively shuttered the pandemic preparation office the CDC when he took office, which is a big reason why the rollout of testing kits has been bungled, we still don't have kits at my hospital.  Their comprehension of the situation is also pretty clearly deserving of criticism, both his chief of staff and head of homeland security publically claimed that the mortality rate of COVID-19 is similar to that of the typical flu, it's actually about 25 times more deadly.  

Well, I certainly hope this makes you feel better about the lack of testing kits:

Pence Says 15,000 Additional Testing Kits In The Mail For Coronavirus

The piece is from CNN.

Pence also contradicts a poster to these threads who stated a vaccine would soon be in existence against the virus.

This poster also repeated Trump, who foolishly said the virus would be gone with warmer weather.

I guess neither of them understands it is summer in Australia, yet folks there are infected, and one has died.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

Well, I certainly hope this makes you feel better about the lack of testing kits:

Pence Says 15,000 Additional Testing Kits In The Mail For Coronavirus

The piece is from CNN.

Pence also contradicts a poster to these threads who stated a vaccine would soon be in existence against the virus.

This poster also repeated Trump, who foolishly said the virus would be gone with warmer weather.

I guess neither of them understands it is summer in Australia, yet folks there are infected, and one has died.

 

 

No one here has said a vaccine would "soon be in existence".  

I said that, and that it may decrease in warmer weather, were certainly possibilities.

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Australia, located in the southern hemisphere, has 25 confirmed cases of coronavirus.

Nine of those cases, including the death, were from the Diamond Princess.

The others, were not.

 

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

Australia, located in the southern hemisphere, has 25 confirmed cases of coronavirus.

Nine of those cases, including the death, were from the Diamond Princess.

The others, were not.

 

It's now in the Dominican Republic.

I do have a feeling it's quite virulent and probably has been around a while all over the world.  Luckily most people with it recover.  

I do wish I could trust Trump's team and the government.  Hopefully some of the more level headed ones that he didn't fire or gut their departments can keep management at high standards. 

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It is reassuring to know that during these uncertain times, high ranking Cult members will continue to conduct themselves in the deplorable manner we have all grown accustomed to.

Continuity is comforting.

From CNN:

'This is a time to come together': Pence Defends Donald Trump Jr. Over Coronavirus Comments.

Pence just gave cover to his leader's son's deplorable remarks.

Gosh, why do I think Pence is a partisan idiot?

 

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On 2/27/2020 at 3:50 PM, Lucylu71 said:

That's what many Trump haters are wishing for, as evidenced by this opinion piece:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html?0p19G=0038

Unfortunately for them, it's a good chance the virus will slow way down like the flu does when the weather gets warmer, and not return until after the election.  Or worse yet for them, a vaccine will be produced before the election.

 

Neither of your statements is based in reality or fact.

One, is simply parroting Trump.

Maybe the other one is too, I don't know.

Aside from neither being based on fact, just pure emotion, the underlying premise of both, seem to echo Donnie Jr.'s comments.

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

It's now in the Dominican Republic.

I do have a feeling it's quite virulent and probably has been around a while all over the world.  Luckily most people with it recover.  

I do wish I could trust Trump's team and the government.  Hopefully some of the more level headed ones that he didn't fire or gut their departments can keep management at high standards. 

It is my turn to lack faith, Tweety.

First, I don't have faith in the American healthcare system because compared to other nations, we don't fare well, as you know.

Then of course, it is painfully obvious that Trump is far more interested in his re-election bid, than in handling a potential health crisis in a manner befitting a world leader.

Which leaves us relying on the good character of civil servants, who have been disparaged by Trump ad nauseum.

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