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21 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I don't think there's been any criticism of Trump's commutations in terms of shear numbers, it's been the basis for them.  The common theme has been to commute the sentences of those who have given him money or who are personal acquaintances, or secondary acquaintances, with the exception of a woman who stole over $200 million from Medicare, this from the man who claims fighting Medicare fraud is a defining policy.   Giving people political favors because they gave you money is the basic definition of corruption.

And you don't think many of Obama's 1900 were of favors of some sort?

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2 minutes ago, Lucylu71 said:

And you don't think many of Obama's 1900 were of favors of some sort?

There's no basis for thinking that so no, I don't.  Here's the full list of Obama's commutations, he didn't benefit financially from anyone he pardoned or commuted.  I don't necessarily agree with the merits of all of them, I disagree with his decisions on Manning and Cartwright, although I'll still take decisions I disagree with over corruption.

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43 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

There's no basis for thinking that so no, I don't.  Here's the full list of Obama's commutations, he didn't benefit financially from anyone he pardoned or commuted.  I don't necessarily agree with the merits of all of them, I disagree with his decisions on Manning and Cartwright, although I'll still take decisions I disagree with over corruption.

Sorry.  You don't know that.  Neither do I.  But I've been around long enough to know that ANY politician who was to average 20 commutations per day for 8 years is doing favors for people at times.

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9 minutes ago, Lucylu71 said:

Sorry.  You don't know that.  Neither do I.  But I've been around long enough to know that ANY politician who was to average 20 commutations per day for 8 years is doing favors for people at times.

Political contributions are publically available, as are who has had their sentences commuted or pardoned, so yes, we do know that.

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A must read tonight, from the NY Times:

House Alerted To Russian Meddling In Briefing That Angers Trump

From the piece: "...berated Joseph Maguire,...for allowing it to take place."

Yes. Trump was mad that the briefing TOOK PLACE because he feared information from the meeting would be used against him politically.

The height of ignorance, is anybody actually believing that Trump cares about, or is interested in protecting our democracy.

 

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11 minutes ago, Lucylu71 said:

... ANY politician who was to average 20 commutations per day for 8 years is doing favors for people at times.

You might want to check your numbers.

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

Political contributions are publically available, as are who has had their sentences commuted or pardoned, so yes, we do know that.

So, you've gone through that list, and you know of each person and whatever associate of theirs who might have petitioned someone in the Obama administration for a commuted sentence or pardon?  

Sure.

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1 hour ago, chare said:

You might want to check your numbers.

I meant to say per month.  Thank you.

My point is the same.

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From CNN:

'The American People Cared. And I Care.' Top Lines From Judge Amy Berman Jackson During Roger Stone Sentencing

Thank goodness, there are still independent minded members of the judiciary.

Barr and the Cult haven't managed to silence them all.

I also read today, a citizen's rebuke of Trump, for attacking the jury forewoman.

Another juror shot down as nonsense, Trump's blubbering about bias.

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19 minutes ago, Lucylu71 said:

So, you've gone through that list, and you know of each person and whatever associate of theirs who might have petitioned someone in the Obama administration for a commuted sentence or pardon?  

Sure.

So you are just guessing that Obama was as corrupt as Trump relative to pardons and commutation and want everyone to be alarmed because you've pointed a finger? Meanwhile you ignore the obvious self serving corruption of Trump's behavior to cast aspersions without evidence.  Of course, the judgement of anyone who is busily defending the most corrupt executive of a lifetime is rightly tarnished and not to be trusted. 

Sure.

😂

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11 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So you are just guessing that Obama was as corrupt as Trump relative to pardons and commutation and want everyone to be alarmed because you've pointed a finger? Meanwhile you ignore the obvious self serving corruption of Trump's behavior to cast aspersions without evidence.  Of course, the judgement of anyone who is busily defending the most corrupt executive of a lifetime is rightly tarnished and not to be trusted. 

Sure.

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Why did Obama pardon Oscar Lopez Rivera?

Political favors, likely.  That's just my opinion.  I'm all ears to hear yours?

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29 minutes ago, Lucylu71 said:

Why did Obama pardon Oscar Lopez Rivera?

Political favors, likely.  That's just my opinion.  I'm all ears to hear yours?

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Pardon Sought For Prisoner Who Fought For Puerto Rican Independence January 15, 2017

...   López Rivera was tried under what was then a rarely used statute, "seditious conspiracy," which means "to oppose and attempt to overthrow by force the power of the United States government," among other crimes.

He was sentenced to 55 years, and later given an additional 15 after being convicted for a conspiracy to escape.

"They were sentenced not because of what they did but because of who they were politically," said Jan Susler, López Rivera's lawyer. "Seditious conspiracy is really a thought crime. It's agreeing to be part of challenging the United States government. And in this case it was agreeing to be part of the FALN."...

...   "I have never been an advocate of violence in order to meet your goals, but I also am a person who believes in justice and in fairness. He wasn't indicted for murder, " Gutierrez says. "I can only deal in the realm of what a person was indicted for and convicted and, based on that, he should be able to come home."...

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/15/509914267/pardon-sought-for-prisoner-who-fought-for-puerto-rican-independence

 

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