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4 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

This was no accident.  The whole thing is for show.

And what do you call that performance by committee members demanding to be allowed in to the hearings when they are ALREADY allowed in?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50166577

 

 

Also what about Ted Yoho who has never attended a deposition and was interviewed stating this when there was a deposition ongoing?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/ted-yoho-impeachment-depositions-cnntv/index.html

 

I will repeat your words back to you, "THE WHOLE THING IS FOR SHOW."

Just not the way you mean.

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18 minutes ago, GrumpyRN said:

And what do you call that performance by committee members demanding to be allowed in to the hearings when they are ALREADY allowed in?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50166577

 

 

Also what about Ted Yoho who has never attended a deposition and was interviewed stating this when there was a deposition ongoing?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/ted-yoho-impeachment-depositions-cnntv/index.html

 

I will repeat your words back to you, "THE WHOLE THING IS FOR SHOW."

I agree. 

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43 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That broken record fatigue is common when dealing with people who want to talk about Trump but are incapable of recognizing Trump's dishonesty or corruption or disregard for laws.  It's similar to the fatigue of talking with people who are anti vaxxers, believe that climate change is a hoax, or cling to the conspiracy theories of Q or Alex Jones or Giuliani. It is tiring and discouraging to encounter so many people who have decided to live in belief and fears and tribal nonsense rather than in evidence and facts.  

You can only repeat the same common sense, facts, evidence, history and current events to the same people, in conversation, a few times before it becomes clear that there is no evidence that they want to understand as much as they want to deflect and defend Trump. That creates the fatigue.  The same circular arguments and deflections and dismissals of facts flow from conservatives completely unaffected by evidence right in front of them. The echo of the GOP rhetoric through the propaganda outlets and then into the public discourse is remarkable, and dangerous.  

This is how a tyrannt will collapse our republic, by convincing the weak minded that demonizing  their fellow countrymen is somehow in their best interest and laws don't apply if you have political power.

 

 

Which is exactly why I choose not to engage these people.

And it is because there is no point in such engagement.

Honestly. I don't know why people can't accept Trumpsters as they present themselves.

I do.

And I do not suffer from fatigue brought on by conversing with a pile of rocks, bricks or any other inanimate object.

Poor, poor, Donnie.

Did you catch he was BOOED at MSG, last night, at a supposedly "safe" event for him to attend.

Poor despicable thing!

That is TWICE in six days that he is booed by the public.

He'd better stick to cult sponsored events.

😊

 

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5 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

Still havent pointed out what law was broken.

The Constitution defines impeachable offenses, which can include 'regular' crimes as well was 'high crimes and misdemeanors', which the founding fathers defined as being different than 'regular crimes'.  But it does appear as though he may have violated a 'regular' crime as well as high crimes, specifically the Hobbs act which makes it illegal to offer something of value from the government in exchange for something of personal benefit.

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5 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

And the media who aren't presenting this side of the story are just as biased for not doing so.  We shouldn't consider the possibility of Vindman's strong political bias?

Interestingly, I learned today he doesn't wear a uniform to work.  The NSC standard is business casual. But yet, he shows up to testify in full uniform, with all the medals and badges that will fit.  Including, a presidential service badge.

This was no accident.  The whole thing is for show.

 

Typically, active duty servicemen and women wear their 'dress blues' to formal government events, while the NSA dress code is casual, so he would wear civilian attire.  You could argue whether a congressional hearing is 'formal', but after serving in the military for 20 years and getting blown up in Iraq, I'd argue he can wear whatever he wants.

But aside from that, does Vindman wearing dress blues somehow mean Trump didn't do what he and various members of his administration have admitted to?

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15 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Typically, active duty servicemen and women wear their 'dress blues' to formal government events, while the NSA dress code is casual, so he would wear civilian attire.  You could argue whether a congressional hearing is 'formal', but after serving in the military for 20 years and getting blown up in Iraq, I'd argue he can wear whatever he wants.

But aside from that, does Vindman wearing dress blues somehow mean Trump didn't do what he and various members of his administration have admitted to?

Didn't Oliver North wear his full military attire to testify at Iran-Contra hearings?

Hmm.

I believe he did. Pretty sure I remember his military attire.

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Where is the evidence that Trump is generally looking to investigate and eliminate corruption? The bulk of his political agenda is more aligned with eliminating oversight and regulation which might discover or thwart corruption, IMV. The preponderance of the evidence suggests that Trump's personal attorney and the AG are busily looking to discredit the Biden brand and attack people for daring to investigate the irresponsible behavior of Trump.

In the absence of evidence, we are supposed to believe that Trump is focused on corruption. Any whisper of corruption as long as it's not Trump related corruption. 

Yep. 

 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Where is the evidence that Trump is generally looking to investigate and eliminate corruption? The bulk of his political agenda is more aligned with eliminating oversight and regulation which might discover or thwart corruption, IMV. The preponderance of the evidence suggests that Trump's personal attorney and the AG are busily looking to discredit the Biden brand and attack people for daring to investigate the irresponsible behavior of Trump.

In the absence of evidence, we are supposed to believe that Trump is focused on corruption. Any whisper of corruption as long as it's not Trump related corruption. 

Yep. 

 

You are absolutely right, baloney!

I encourage all to read about one such example, in the WaPo.

Read about how Trump is ROLLING BACK Obama regulations on the storage of coal ash, and the like.

Fantastic!

When the stuff gets out, it is an extreme health danger.

But hey, Trumpsters think he is making America great!

I guess they think sickening and poisoning fellow citizens is a sign of success.

Personally, I think it is deplorable.

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EPA to Roll Back Rules to Control Toxic Metals from Coal Plants

With a series of new rules expected in November, the Environmental Protection Agency will move to weaken the 2015 regulation by relaxing some of the requirements on power generators and also exempting a significant number of power plants from even those weakened requirements. 

The new effort is designed to extend the life of old, coal-fired power plants that have been shutting down in the face of competition from cheaper natural gas and renewable energy. Environmental groups warned that the move could lead to health problems caused by contaminated drinking water, including birth defects, cancer and stunted brain development in young children. The move is part of a series of efforts by the Trump administration to relax restrictions on coal-fired power plants and promote the construction of new ones even as market forces continue the industry’s decline 

A spokesman for the EPA did not respond to a request for comment....

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/epa-to-roll-back-rules-to-control-toxic-metals-from-coal-plants/ 

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 Pumps are used to keep a coal ash pit from flooding in the aftermath of Hurricane Florence in Conway, S.C., Sept. 20, 2018. The Trump administration is expected to roll back regulations that would have limited emissions of dangerous heavy metals like arsenic, lead and mercury found in coal ash, which existing power plants produce about 130 million tons of each year. (Tamir Kalifa/The New York Times)

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58 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

EPA to Roll Back Rules to Control Toxic Metals from Coal Plants

With a series of new rules expected in November, the Environmental Protection Agency will move to weaken the 2015 regulation by relaxing some of the requirements on power generators and also exempting a significant number of power plants from even those weakened requirements. 

The new effort is designed to extend the life of old, coal-fired power plants that have been shutting down in the face of competition from cheaper natural gas and renewable energy. Environmental groups warned that the move could lead to health problems caused by contaminated drinking water, including birth defects, cancer and stunted brain development in young children. The move is part of a series of efforts by the Trump administration to relax restrictions on coal-fired power plants and promote the construction of new ones even as market forces continue the industry’s decline 

A spokesman for the EPA did not respond to a request for comment....

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/epa-to-roll-back-rules-to-control-toxic-metals-from-coal-plants/ 

Pumps_4d7db715-4b10-46f7-90ec-c348c63711

 Pumps are used to keep a coal ash pit from flooding in the aftermath of Hurricane Florence in Conway, S.C., Sept. 20, 2018. The Trump administration is expected to roll back regulations that would have limited emissions of dangerous heavy metals like arsenic, lead and mercury found in coal ash, which existing power plants produce about 130 million tons of each year. (Tamir Kalifa/The New York Times)

Thanks for posting, herring.

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19 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

While I agree that hate crime is bad, I need to clarify my statement.

I was speaking to the blind hatred of Trump.  We all know people who hate Trump no matter what and who are incapable of acknowledging anything good, no matter how big or small, that is happening during his presidency. 

The "Trump is a victim" idea again. 

As you know, I don't always give a thumbs up as to how some people express their dislike/hatred, especially when it's profane and not mature,  but I don't think they hate just to hate blindly.  I think it's a matter of "you get what you've earned".

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17 minutes ago, Tweety said:

The "Trump is a victim" idea again. 

As you know, I don't always give a thumbs of as to how profanely some people express their dislike/hatred, especially when it's profane and not mature,  but I don't think they hate just to hate blindly.  I think it's a matter of "you get what you've earned".

Don't know whether or not you are referring to me, Tweety, and if you are, I take no offense.

You are right.

I do not hate blindly.

If I could honestly think, of ONE thing that Trump has done, that I consider good, I would give him credit.

But I can't think of anything.

As you well know, I think disparaging folks like the late John McCain, is deplorable.

I think blantant abuses of power, are deplorable.

I think unfettered corruption by Cabinet members is deplorable.

I think further polluting the air and water that Americans rely on, is deplorable.

I think giving winks and nods to White Nationalists, is deplorable.

Killing al Baghdadi, while denying Syrian refugees refuge, is deplorable, not to mention the unethical treatment of our Kurdish allies.

Giving me an extra $75, in my paycheck every two weeks, while starving the EPA and IRS and FDA, does not make me happy.

Yep.

Can't think of one good thing Trump has done.

Can you?

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