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19 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:
18 hours ago, MunoRN said:

The section you left out: 

Zelensky brings up military aid, Trump says "We need a favor though", then lists two components of this favor, he references a debunked conspiracy theory about the DNC server and "the other thing" being an investigation into his main reelection opponent.  

By itself, the call is bad enough, but according to multiple administration officials the coordinated effort to use Ukraine for personal political gain started at least as early as May.  

 

Still havent pointed out what law was broken.

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19 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, 😂😂🤣🤣😂

At the end of the article it states quite clearly (and in red print) 

HELP US FIGHT THE LEFT AND KEEP OUR CONSERVATIVE MESSAGE ALIVE

So I am going to guess that it is not a very unbiased publication. Also, how incompetent are your security forces if they allow someone so (according to the article) obviously anti-American to work as the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council?

Have you looked at the twitter page of this Hickman character? His pinned Tweet states;

"A message to all the liberal, race-baiting, hateful Dems & their #FakeNewsMedia propagandists, @realDonaldTrump is NOT a racist, or white supremacist, & neither are his supporters." 

So again really "fair and balanced."

And the media who aren't presenting this side of the story are just as biased for not doing so.  We shouldn't consider the possibility of Vindman's strong political bias?

Interestingly, I learned today he doesn't wear a uniform to work.  The NSC standard is business casual. But yet, he shows up to testify in full uniform, with all the medals and badges that will fit.  Including, a presidential service badge.

This was no accident.  The whole thing is for show.

 

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14 hours ago, Tweety said:

Damn I walked right into that one.

I will say that he was correct in his presumption that he could even commit murder and his followers would still blindly support him.  

How can you say he is being blindly supported?  You yourself at times have commented on the things that are going well in the eyes of those who voted for him such as his tax bill and the economy.

I posted a opinion piece the other day that outlined all the promises he has kept to those who voted for him.  Unfortunately, some focused on the line in the article about him "taking liberty with the truth", and thus missed the main point.

He may be supported "blindly" by a small minority, but most of supporters do so for what he has accomplished.

Blind hatred is actually more prevalent and imo, damaging to the country.

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Oh, Tweety, Trump's popularity in FL may have something to do with the state's residents embrace of cults.

The Church of Scientology has a headquarters in FL.

So, the state is fairly welcoming of cults with $$$$ to spend.

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Trump isn't a genius. 

Trump is a liar, an opportunist and propagandist who recognized that the GOP had created a cult with Fox news and right wing radio.  Trump simply took that cult under his wing and deepened the us v. them division that had already been built there.  He gave the devotees the leader that every cult needs. 

As long as millions of Americans are unable to discern Trump's lies, corruption or crimes because of their media isolation and brainwashed thinking, our republic is at risk.  The percentage of our population poorly educated and naive enough to be this gullible when faced with obvious corruption and opportunistic dishonesty should never be as high as it is right now. We need to invest in education of the public least we lose our republic to a tyrannt. 

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31 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Trump isn't a genius. 

Trump is a liar, an opportunist and propagandist who recognized that the GOP had created a cult with Fox news and right wing radio.  Trump simply took that cult under his wing and deepened the us v. them division that had already been built there.  He gave the devotees the leader that every cult needs. 

As long as millions of Americans are unable to discern Trump's lies, corruption or crimes because of their media isolation and brainwashed thinking, our republic is at risk.  The percentage of our population poorly educated and naive enough to be this gullible when faced with obvious corruption and opportunistic dishonesty should never be as high as it is right now. We need to invest in education of the public least we lose our republic to a tyrannt. 

Agree, baloney.

Based on Trumpster comments, it is clear most, if not all, have no basic understanding of American government.

Guess they missed 8th grade Civics course.

Or perhaps they do understand American government, but prefer to cling to their deplorable ideals.

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2 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

How can you say he is being blindly supported?  You yourself at times have commented on the things that are going well in the eyes of those who voted for him such as his tax bill and the economy.

I posted a opinion piece the other day that outlined all the promises he has kept to those who voted for him.  Unfortunately, some focused on the line in the article about him "taking liberty with the truth", and thus missed the main point.

He may be supported "blindly" by a small minority, but most of supporters do so for what he has accomplished.

Blind hatred is actually more prevalent and imo, damaging to the country.

Good answer.  When I say blindly its kind of like the abused child that benefits from being fed, clothed and housed and keeps all the family secrets swept under the rug.  

I 100% agree about the blind hatred being bad for the country.   I've seen some studies that have show a rose in hate crime since Trump came along.  

Too bad the Party can't come up with another person that can accomplish what you want but with honesty and integrity.

I'm in broken record mode and really just tired and done with it all.

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29 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Good answer.  When I say blindly its kind of like the abused child that benefits from being fed, clothed and housed and keeps all the family secrets swept under the rug.  

I 100% agree about the blind hatred being bad for the country.   I've seen some studies that have show a rose in hate crime since Trump came along.  

Too bad the Party can't come up with another person that can accomplish what you want but with honesty and integrity.

I'm in broken record mode and really just tired and done with it all.

While I agree that hate crime is bad, I need to clarify my statement.

I was speaking to the blind hatred of Trump.  We all know people who hate Trump no matter what and who are incapable of acknowledging anything good, no matter how big or small, that is happening during his presidency. 

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4 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

And the media who aren't presenting this side of the story are just as biased for not doing so.  We shouldn't consider the possibility of Vindman's strong political bias?

But it was YOU who presented this to us. Not "the media." I only pointed out how biased the article and its source are.

4 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

Interestingly, I learned today he doesn't wear a uniform to work.  The NSC standard is business casual. But yet, he shows up to testify in full uniform, with all the medals and badges that will fit.  Including, a presidential service badge.

Is he a serving officer? If so surely he is entitled to wear his uniform and show his rank.

 

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39 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Good answer.  When I say blindly its kind of like the abused child that benefits from being fed, clothed and housed and keeps all the family secrets swept under the rug.  

I 100% agree about the blind hatred being bad for the country.   I've seen some studies that have show a rose in hate crime since Trump came along.  

Too bad the Party can't come up with another person that can accomplish what you want but with honesty and integrity.

I'm in broken record mode and really just tired and done with it all.

That broken record fatigue is common when dealing with people who want to talk about Trump but are incapable of recognizing Trump's dishonesty or corruption or disregard for laws.  It's similar to the fatigue of talking with people who are anti vaxxers, believe that climate change is a hoax, or cling to the conspiracy theories of Q or Alex Jones or Giuliani. It is tiring and discouraging to encounter so many people who have decided to live in belief and fears and tribal nonsense rather than in evidence and facts.  

You can only repeat the same common sense, facts, evidence, history and current events to the same people, in conversation, a few times before it becomes clear that there is no evidence that they want to understand as much as they want to deflect and defend Trump. That creates the fatigue.  The same circular arguments and deflections and dismissals of facts flow from conservatives completely unaffected by evidence right in front of them. The echo of the GOP rhetoric through the propaganda outlets and then into the public discourse is remarkable, and dangerous.  

This is how a tyrannt will collapse our republic, by convincing the weak minded that demonizing  their fellow countrymen is somehow in their best interest and laws don't apply if you have political power.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, GrumpyRN said:

But it was YOU who presented this to us. Not "the media." I only pointed out how biased the article and its source are.

Is he a serving officer? If so surely he is entitled to wear his uniform and show his rank.

 

Yeah. Trump supporters find fault with the fellow appropriately wearing his dress uniform because they don't really want to say that it's ok for Trump to extort foreign leaders. 

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