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I've been doing a "company clean" in my son's room all day and so had some time to listen to videos online. 

As you all know, I follow Candace Owens.  She and Dave Rubin had a one hour chat and it started with his talking about classic liberalism and how that is what he is and he differentiates that from "the left".  I thought about our earlier conversation where I mentioned this and thought I'd add the link.  It is a good look at what we on the other side are thinking.  Maybe might be a good idea to listen to the other side instead of making knee-jerk reactions that simply because a person disagree with you, you have to be racist, homophobic, hateful, etc.  

I honestly think the left is shooting itself in the foot and painting themselves into a box (as Dave mentions). 

Anyway, I'll link it even though I'm pretty sure many won't watch it.  But it does give a pretty good description of classical liberal - JFK being a classical liberal.

The last sentence below is important.  The "tolerant left" is no longer very tolerant. 

Dave’s journey from a left leaning progressive to a free thinking classical liberal has been quite an adventure. As a gay married man living in America, Dave spent the majority of his adult life subscribing to a certain political belief system based primarily on his immutable characteristics. Fed up with the mainstream media narrative and click-bait news, Dave decided to open up about his awakening, for all to see. He came to realize that no person or idea should be expected to join a side, but rather they should embrace their status as an individual. He now feels that the modern left has lost its way by taking political correctness and groupthink to a dangerous level, distracting from the true American dream of the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

Dave’s background as a stand up comedian, degree in political science, and willingness to listen without fighting has uniquely positioned him to tackle big ideas and uncomfortable truths with thought leaders from both sides of the aisle. His show The Rubin Report aims to create civil discourse with people we both agree and disagree with, and host a dialogue with others whose ideas are judged before being given the chance to be presented in an honest way.

 

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23 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

I've been doing a "company clean" in my son's room all day and so had some time to listen to videos online. 

As you all know, I follow Candace Owens.  She and Dave Rubin had a one hour chat and it started with his talking about classic liberalism and how that is what he is and he differentiates that from "the left".  I thought about our earlier conversation where I mentioned this and thought I'd add the link.  It is a good look at what we on the other side are thinking.  Maybe might be a good idea to listen to the other side instead of making knee-jerk reactions that simply because a person disagree with you, you have to be racist, homophobic, hateful, etc.  

I honestly think the left is shooting itself in the foot and painting themselves into a box (as Dave mentions). 

Anyway, I'll link it even though I'm pretty sure many won't watch it.  But it does give a pretty good description of classical liberal - JFK being a classical liberal.

The last sentence below is important.  The "tolerant left" is no longer very tolerant. 

Dave’s journey from a left leaning progressive to a free thinking classical liberal has been quite an adventure. As a gay married man living in America, Dave spent the majority of his adult life subscribing to a certain political belief system based primarily on his immutable characteristics. Fed up with the mainstream media narrative and click-bait news, Dave decided to open up about his awakening, for all to see. He came to realize that no person or idea should be expected to join a side, but rather they should embrace their status as an individual. He now feels that the modern left has lost its way by taking political correctness and groupthink to a dangerous level, distracting from the true American dream of the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

Dave’s background as a stand up comedian, degree in political science, and willingness to listen without fighting has uniquely positioned him to tackle big ideas and uncomfortable truths with thought leaders from both sides of the aisle. His show The Rubin Report aims to create civil discourse with people we both agree and disagree with, and host a dialogue with others whose ideas are judged before being given the chance to be presented in an honest way.

 

I don't think that just because a person disagrees me that they are racist, or homophobic, or hateful.  When a person takes their time and effort to excuse, equivocate or deflect from racist or hateful rhetoric/behavior from the president (or anyone else) that changes perspectives, would you agree? 

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57 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

Ah, I see someone took away the "dislike" on my post.  Well, that's good so thanks.

The video was posted, as noted in the link, on Kimberly Klacik's Twitter with permission of Michelle and of course then it goes viral so I'm pretty sure it is ok to share here.  

Why in the world is it so hard to maybe take a deep breath and have a conversation and look at what some other folks are saying? 

Kimberly Klacik
@kimKBaltimore
Baltimore County Republican Central Committee| Political Commentator|#ProTrump|CoHost of #SuperCitizenUSA| email-kimberly@potential-me.com

 

I don't think that it is difficult to have a look and conversation about what people are saying.  I think that most of the participants in these threads read or watch or listen to most of the links provided.  There is an abundance of spirited debate to be found on various threads as proof. 

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34 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't think that just because a person disagrees me that they are racist, or homophobic, or hateful.  When a person takes their time and effort to excuse, equivocate or deflect from racist or hateful rhetoric/behavior from the president (or anyone else) that changes perspectives, would you agree? 

It depends.  Sometimes when people say Trump is being racist, he isn't being racist.  If the mayor can say what she said:

 

. . . which is basically what Trump said, why is he racist and she not racist?  

The viral video clip came in response to media figures and Democrats falsely claiming that the president's tweets on Saturday were racist. Nowhere in Trump's tweets did he refer to race as he called out the poor living conditions inside Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings' (MD) district.

"Rep. Elijah Cummings has been a brutal bully, shouting and screaming at the great men & women of Border Patrol about conditions at the Southern Border, when actually his Baltimore district is FAR WORSE and more dangerous," Trump tweeted. "His district is considered the Worst in the USA as proven last week during a Congressional tour, the Border is clean, efficient & well run, just very crowded. Cumming District is a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess. If he spent more time in Baltimore, maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous & filthy place."

(Edited again . . . something keeps messing up on this post)

 

 

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5 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

Just saw Michelle from Baltimore speaking about this and thought it would be helpful to see another side to the story.  

 

 

Wow, someone doesn't "like" this black woman sharing her own viewpoint?  

"He's done nothing for us, no cookouts, no shoes give away, no clothes give away"....if she wasn't supporting Trump, conservatives would be all over her for wanting "free stuff".  

 

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5 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

It depends . . . many times Trump is accused of racism when it isn't racism.  This was part of the video clip above.  If the mayor can say the neighborhoods are filthy and smell like rats and dead animals, when she says

The viral video clip came in response to media figures and Democrats falsely claiming that the president's tweets on Saturday were racist. Nowhere in Trump's tweets did he refer to race as he called out the poor living conditions inside Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings' (MD) district.

"Rep. Elijah Cummings has been a brutal bully, shouting and screaming at the great men & women of Border Patrol about conditions at the Southern Border, when actually his Baltimore district is FAR WORSE and more dangerous," Trump tweeted. "His district is considered the Worst in the USA as proven last week during a Congressional tour, the Border is clean, efficient & well run, just very crowded. Cumming District is a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess. If he spent more time in Baltimore, maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous & filthy place."

 

(edited to add . . . made me laugh out loud when my typing a cuss word was changed to a bomb!).  

 

I wasn't referencing the video clip.  I am talking about interactions like these in these sort of environments. 

Trump routinely disparages American cities with non-white political representation in Congress.  He told the targeted non-white female representatives that they should go back to some poorly defined place if they were going to be critical of our country. 

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5 minutes ago, Tweety said:

"He's done nothing for us, no cookouts, no shoes give away, no clothes give away"....if she wasn't supporting Trump, conservatives would be all over her for wanting "free stuff".  

 

So, that negates her opinion?  How?

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16 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

 

Is East Baltimore Cumming's District?    I get it.  I have had a rat problem to deal with.  Weekly the newspaper publishes restaurants with code violations.  If you put your camera on that spot it looks like a ghetto.  

That said, I'm not sure Trump was being racist but targeting someone he had a problem with, and he lied about some of the stuff.  But rather than call him on that, people are pointing that he's almost right.

 

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7 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

So, that negates her opinion?  How?

It doesn't negate her opinion and I didn't say so.  If those are her standards for him "doing nothing" despite his billion dollar procurements for his district then so be it but, it's lame in my opinion.  I'm sure my congressperson hasn't done that either.

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9 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

So, that negates her opinion?  How?

I don't think anyone here is trying to dismiss or negate get opinion. 

What makes you want to share and elevate her opinion?

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I wasn't referencing the video clip.  I am talking about interactions like these in these sort of environments. 

Trump routinely disparages American cities with non-white political representation in Congress.  He told the targeted non-white female representatives that they should go back to some poorly defined place if they were going to be critical of our country. 

In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, that had nothing to do with the color of their skin but the content of their words and deeds.  

So see . . . I'll be called racist in some places because I have a different opinion.  I'm not making excuses for Trump.  I just see this in a different way.  

I have my own issues with Trump.  But let's look at the ladies he spoke about.

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Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) speaks at Netroots Nation conference on Saturday: "I don't want to bring a chair to an old table. This is the time to shake the table. This is the time to redefine that table. Because if you're going to come to this table, all of you who have aspirations of running for office. If you’re not prepared to come to that table and represent that voice, don’t come, because we don't need any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. We don’t need black faces that don't want to be a black voice. We don't need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice. We don’t need queers that don't want to be a queer voice. If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don't even show up because we need you to represent that voice."

In other words, if you have a brown face, a black face, if you are a Muslim, or a queer you must not think for yourself or have your own opinion.  You must walk in lockstep with her.  This is one of the reasons Candace Owens was redpilled.  

I prefer Dave Rubin's approach . . . let's all come to the table as ourselves and have a conversation, regardless of whether we are in agreement on everything.  That's tolerance.  Her comments are racist, in my opinion.

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