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28 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

Well, if you want to know what the other side thinks, maybe hang around and listen, read, etc.  

Hey, I'll go read the Mueller Report if y'all watch some of the people who disagree with you.  And understand why.  Maybe not agree, but understand why.  

https://www.prageru.com/video/the-candace-owens-show-scott-baio/

Maybe someone here will make a deal with you, so you might be inclined to read the Mueller report.

I will not.

Every Patriot should WANT to read the Mueller report, to be informed.

The fact that you seem to make light, of something so important to our nation, is troubling to me.

And all the more reason, I don't give much credence to your links to Candace Owens, or other right-wing darlings.

Why not try linking to real Conservatives, such as Jennifer Rubin or George Will?

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35 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

Well, if you want to know what the other side thinks, maybe hang around and listen, read, etc.  

Hey, I'll go read the Mueller Report if y'all watch some of the people who disagree with you.  And understand why.  Maybe not agree, but understand why.  

https://www.prageru.com/video/the-candace-owens-show-scott-baio/

Another condescending post.  You presume what we don't pay attention to what the other side thinks.  How do you think we come to vote whom we vote for?  How do you think we come to oppose what they stand for?  

I will confess that sometimes I can't get past a few minutes of what they are saying. I'm certainly not going to listen to 49 minutes of Scott Baio and Candace Owens, although they are sounding quite reasonable. 

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38 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

Well, if you want to know what the other side thinks, maybe hang around and listen, read, etc.  

Hey, I'll go read the Mueller Report if y'all watch some of the people who disagree with you.  And understand why.  Maybe not agree, but understand why.  

https://www.prageru.com/video/the-candace-owens-show-scott-baio/

Yes, how condescending, that you continue to insist that those who disagree with you, and don't embrace the right-wing views of Candace Owens, etc., simply don't understand.

We understand.

I certainly understand that the views espoused by Ms Owens are not new.

They are actually very old.

But as it has been pointed out many, many, times, Candace Owens is a farce.

Scott Baio has a long history, as a right-winger. Nothing new there.

I am intrigued, however, by the readings of true Conservatives.

These days, their point of view is the more interesting, as they fully realize how the GOP has been taken over by right-wingers, and the true danger that implies.

 

 

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I might also add that at aged 60, I'm pretty much done listening to the agenda of Republicans and unless they radically change to include healthcare for all, taking away tax breaks for the wealthy, believing in climate change and regulating environmental responsibility, etc.  there really isn't a point.

I do understand that because the President they support says things like there are fine people in the white supremacists groups that it's not fair to call people that support him white supremacists, etc. but I also wish Republican congresspeople with grow some and call him out.  I wish republicans would look for another leader and dump him.  Just because he has a conservative agenda, and the economy continues to be good, he's not a good person.  Another reason I don't listen to them much.

I don't think that makes me an uninformed and unfair person.  I don't name call or spew out hatred to them.  But I don't listen much either.  I hear what they are saying, but don't delve into it much.

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15 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I might also add that at aged 60, I'm pretty much done listening to the agenda of Republicans and unless they radically change to include healthcare for all, taking away tax breaks for the wealthy, believing in climate change and regulating environmental responsibility, etc.  there really isn't a point.

I do understand that because the President they support says things like there are fine people in the white supremacists groups that it's not fair to call people that support him white supremacists, etc. but I also wish Republican congresspeople with grow some and call him out.  I wish republicans would look for another leader and dump him.  Just because he has a conservative agenda, and the economy continues to be good, he's not a good person.  Another reason I don't listen to them much.

I don't think that makes me an uninformed and unfair person.  I don't name call or spew out hatred to them.  But I don't listen much either.  I hear what they are saying, but don't delve into it much.

There is a Republican alternative to Trump: William Weld.

I have brought him up many, many, times.

But Trumpsters won't give up their xenophobic, homophobic, racist, guy.

They are sticking with him.

 

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Friday night, I read an article from the WaPo, about an Iraq war veteran, turned KKK member.

He embraced White Nationalism, and a hatred of Muslims, after serving overseas, in the military.

He also became a drug addict, after his military service.

He took his four-year-old son, to KKK meetings.

Yes, I read all about his ideals.

And then I read about the Syrian refugee, who came to this country as a young child, and is now a cardiologist.

The pair met, and the MD now meets with this young man regularly, to bridge racial and cultural divides.

The former White Nationalist is now drug-free and piecing his life back together, after renouncing the KKK.

Yeah, I understand "why" the young American was attracted to, and joined the KKK.

But it doesn't mean I respect his former viewpoint.

My respect goes to that Syrian refugee, who overcame great obstacles to become an MD, and volunteers his off hours to help those who would hate him because of his religion, and because he is a refugee.

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39 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I might also add that at aged 60, I'm pretty much done listening to the agenda of Republicans and unless they radically change to include healthcare for all, taking away tax breaks for the wealthy, believing in climate change and regulating environmental responsibility, etc.  there really isn't a point.

I do understand that because the President they support says things like there are fine people in the white supremacists groups that it's not fair to call people that support him white supremacists, etc. but I also wish Republican congresspeople with grow some and call him out.  I wish republicans would look for another leader and dump him.  Just because he has a conservative agenda, and the economy continues to be good, he's not a good person.  Another reason I don't listen to them much.

I don't think that makes me an uninformed and unfair person.  I don't name call or spew out hatred to them.  But I don't listen much either.  I hear what they are saying, but don't delve into it much.

Very well said, Tweety. I just can't understand how conservatives can continue to support Trump. His foreign policy consists of tariffs and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. His domestic policy is handouts to corporations, and playing golf while publicizing his properties.  What part of any of that is conservative?

And for the evangelicals, how can they rationalize locking up children or sell bombs to drop on their schools? And what about the poisoning of our environment? There are numerous biblical verses about caring for the earth. 

I do look at so-called conservative media. And it seems to consist of throwing invectives at the "leftist" "democrat" party or whine about socialism. No one in conservative media dares to call out the President for his erratic behaviors. They all act like its normal to rant and rave on Twitter, the name-calling and the out-right lies. How do they justify his praises for the likes of Kim, Putin, Erdogan, and Dutarte, and criticizes our closest allies like Canada and the UK. They don't. They complain about Hillary and Obama and rant against the metric system.

Slap my d*** head.  

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1 hour ago, Spidey's mom said:

Well, if you want to know what the other side thinks, maybe hang around and listen, read, etc.  

Hey, I'll go read the Mueller Report if y'all watch some of the people who disagree with you.  And understand why.  Maybe not agree, but understand why.  

https://www.prageru.com/video/the-candace-owens-show-scott-baio/

You must be unaware that the vast majority of us posting liberal or progressive viewpoints read the conservative articles offered here and attempt to discuss the points with the option.  However, reading conservatively biased writing or journalism and watching right wing celebrities on right wing talk showshows led by a conservative political activist talk about how difficult it is to be a conservative are two different animals. You must be unaware that some of us live and interact with conservative Americans everyday. 

Why do you feel that conservatives are not understood? I think conservatives have been in control of the political narrative for awhile now in this country, what is it that you think liberals don't understand about conservative political policy and agendas?

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45 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You must be unaware that the vast majority of us posting liberal or progressive viewpoints read the conservative articles offered here and attempt to discuss the points with the option.  However, reading conservatively biased writing or journalism and watching right wing celebrities on right wing talk showshows led by a conservative political activist talk about how difficult it is to be a conservative are two different animals. You must be unaware that some of us live and interact with conservative Americans everyday. 

Why do you feel that conservatives are not understood? I think conservatives have been in control of the political narrative for awhile now in this country, what is it that you think liberals don't understand about conservative political policy and agendas?

I think the most important thing to remember is that not all conservatives agree stock and barrel with the policy agenda. 

Conservatives cover a wide swing of the right of center, and don't necessarily stick to hard party lines. The main sticking point I find with angry conservatives is the constant grouping of all conservatives at "The Right". That's not to say that conservatives are innocent of this either. But the connotation is made that there is "The Left" and the "Far Left Crazy Ideologues" in conservative circles.

I personally believe that the majority is either left or right of center and often times agrees with laws/policy on either side. 

The most important thing is to have the open communication and exchange of ideas. To continue to call each other Libtards and Trumpsters just demeans people and lessens the opinion of the person saying it.  

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10 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

Well, if you want to know what the other side thinks, maybe hang around and listen, read, etc.  

Hey, I'll go read the Mueller Report if y'all watch some of the people who disagree with you.  And understand why.  Maybe not agree, but understand why.  

https://www.prageru.com/video/the-candace-owens-show-scott-baio/

I did listen to the entire video. I also listened to Dennis Prager on KABC Talk Radio five days a week for years. He used his excellent vocabulary to talk about President Clinton for at least 30 minutes each and every show stating that no American should vote for a man who had affairs and violated the Ten Commandments. He read the pornographic parts of the Star Report out loud.

Then when President Trump was a candidate he turned 180 degrees to say actions in a candidate's private life should be overlooked in favor of what will be done for the country.

PLEASE listen to the two videos that show Candace Owens not being truthful. She stated, "I think it's pretty apparent that Mr. Lieu believes that Black people are stupid and will not pursue to full clip in it's entirety. He purposely presented an extracted clip.

I did pursue the full clip. The "Hitler" comment is at about 41:10 of the second video:

Below is the second video. PLEASE listen to the entire video OR just the "Hitler comment" at 41:10. She does NOT make reference to Hitler killing anyone. She was clearly NOT being truthful when she testified under oath to Congress that she said what she did not say. 

Perhaps she thinks I am stupid?

PS: To me SHE insinuated that my member of Congress is racist. SHE brought up race. He did NOT!

 

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47 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

I think the most important thing to remember is that not all conservatives agree stock and barrel with the policy agenda. 

Conservatives cover a wide swing of the right of center, and don't necessarily stick to hard party lines. The main sticking point I find with angry conservatives is the constant grouping of all conservatives at "The Right". That's not to say that conservatives are innocent of this either. But the connotation is made that there is "The Left" and the "Far Left Crazy Ideologues" in conservative circles.

I personally believe that the majority is either left or right of center and often times agrees with laws/policy on either side. 

The most important thing is to have the open communication and exchange of ideas. To continue to call each other Libtards and Trumpsters just demeans people and lessens the opinion of the person saying it.  

I do not group all Conservatives as "The Right."

And that is because, as I have stated numerous times here, there is a stark difference between true Conservatives, and what I deem as Trumpsters.

Anyone, who twists themselves in knots, to excuse the behavior of Trump, is a Trumpster.

Anyone who applauds his vile, racist, homophobic, sexual predator, xenophobic behavior and policies is a Trumpster.

Conservatives, are not the things I listed above.

Think about what the word conserve means.

I often read the columns of Conservative writers.

I am a Liberal.

The Conservative viewpoint is not the problem, in my opinion.

Condoning hatred, bigotry, etc., is the problem.

And I don't believe true Conservatives adhere to such beliefs.

We can discuss the size of government.

We can discuss the role of government.

I am not interested in discussing veiled attempts to make racism or bigotry palatable.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

Well, if you want to know what the other side thinks, maybe hang around and listen, read, etc.  

Hey, I'll go read the Mueller Report if y'all watch some of the people who disagree with you.  And understand why.  Maybe not agree, but understand why.  

https://www.prageru.com/video/the-candace-owens-show-scott-baio/

The common ground that exists between Trump supporters and anti-Trumpers is unlikely to be found in a conversation between two latently fascist Islamaphobes, but I agree that it can be found.  

I think the anti-Trump crowd is all-too-aware of the reasons Owens and Baio support Trump; they feel government leaders have lost the core principles of what America stands for.  

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