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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

So it's Pride Month.  In 50 years probably more that any other social movement, attitudes towards gay people have improved dramatically.  There's an article in Washington Post about this but I am out of views 

"Stonewall at 50 how public opinion on gay rights move so fast"......

I've seen a dramatic shift here in Republican Florida even.  In my hometown city hall has a Pride flag and Pride flags are all over the city.  

Then there's Trump

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-u-s-embassies-they-can-t-fly-n1015236

Hmm.

I wonder if Trump supporters will call out his directive, for what it is; mean spirited.

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53 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I always hear this again when someone uses the word "aspersions".

Cast aspersions on my asparagus

I read a lot but it's not a word I'm familiar with.  I enjoy learning new things.  Probably know I don't like being told to move on, get over it, or lighten up...I'll do that on my own time thank you.  😂

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Two new polls indicate Trumpsters have plenty to worry about.

From CNN:

Trump Would Likely Lose An Election Held Today

The story discusses numbers behind the Glengariff Group poll, out of MI, and the latest Quinnipiac University poll out of TX.

Both show Biden, with substantial leads over Trump.

 

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2 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

I meant for my response to be strictly about casting aspersions on people who stand up for a song.  

Which was the example I used to mention one of the reasons Trump was elected .

My intention was not to be a cheerleader for Trump. 

I didn't mention who I voted for or why.    

There are a myriad of conversations and news articles about why Trump was elected.  Paying attention to the "why" might be a good idea.  

It's paying attention to the "why" that's concerns me.  I'd like to think that most people voted for Trump because of his policy positions, although despite failing to achieve the majority of his goals on actual policy (ie repeal and replace, deficit reduction, etc) his support hasn't really changed.  The one thing that his support tracks along with is that he's consistently been a petty, name-calling, narcissistic bully, as far as I can tell, that's the main "why" people voted and continue to maintain support for him.

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10 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Exactly.

We seem to have repeated some of the historical steps that have resulted in the elevation of other authoritarians in the 20th century. We know the why; the strong man promises the angry workers that only he can save them and restore their nation to its faded glory while feeding them nationalist and racist snacks through the propaganda outlet. The gullible believe the Liar and propaganda rather than facts and evidence.  All of that is happening right now in Trump's America. 

We also see how difficult it is to change that course when the indoctrinated are belligerantly committed to the the ideology within the propaganda. We see how agitated individuals can become when they are challenged to inform themselves with facts rather than feelings.  The Mueller investigation and report are an example of Trump supporters showing loyalty to the propaganda rather than pursuing the truth, the facts, or the evidence.

There is a growing movement of people who think like you but see the "indoctrinated" as a different set of people who get their marching orders from the media or the politicians in the Democrat Party. 

It is so interesting reading what you say when I just finished watching an interview with three men who walked away from the Democrat Party for just the reasons you mentioned.  

 

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IMHO many voted for Trump simply because they were tired of 'politics as usual' and wanted someone 'different, from outside the Good Old Boys entrenched network of politicians, who they considered ineffective and poor representatives of their constituents. I heard people say, "Well, it couldn't be any worse..." 

Yup, they got the 'different' candidate in, all right. But little did they know what they'd voted in, in hopes of positive changes.

In 2020, just be careful what you wish for,.

 

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1 hour ago, Spidey's mom said:

There is a growing movement of people who think like you but see the "indoctrinated" as a different set of people who get their marching orders from the media or the politicians in the Democrat Party. 

It is so interesting reading what you say when I just finished watching an interview with three men who walked away from the Democrat Party for just the reasons you mentioned.  

 

You've mentioned this movement before. It's curious that you are so intrigued by this concept that is so heavily endorsed by Russian bot farms seeking to generate discord and animus. Is there some way that these stories are verified?

To be indoctrinated, one must believe or conform to a set of beliefs without thinking critically about them. When a group of people are convinced that a lie is true, they are indoctrinated.  Trump lies about things large, small, important things, insignificant things, personal things, private things, matters of faith, money, love, and lust.  Trump lies about the Mueller report exonerating him and people stubbornly believe it even when confronted with evidence to the contrary. What would you call that type of blind loyalty fully promoted by a propaganda outlet?

 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You've mentioned this movement before. It's curious that you are so intrigued by this concept that is so heavily endorsed by Russian bot farms seeking to generate discord and animus. Is there some way that these stories are verified?

To be indoctrinated, one must believe or conform to a set of beliefs without thinking critically about them. When a group of people are convinced that a lie is true, they are indoctrinated.  Trump lies about things large, small, important things, insignificant things, personal things, private things, matters of faith, money, love, and lust.  Trump lies about the Mueller report exonerating him and people stubbornly believe it even when confronted with evidence to the contrary. What would you call that type of blind loyalty fully promoted by a propaganda outlet?

 

Don’t know much about it, myself, except that someone claiming to be part of the movement has posted commercial stock photos, claiming them to be of people in the movement. I also understand that there’s some evidence that Russian bots have been involved in amplifying it’s supposed impact. Have yet to see any verifiable numbers. Probably no more leaving the Democratic Party than leaving the Republicans on the other side.

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7 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

There is a growing movement of people who think like you but see the "indoctrinated" as a different set of people who get their marching orders from the media or the politicians in the Democrat Party. 

It is so interesting reading what you say when I just finished watching an interview with three men who walked away from the Democrat Party for just the reasons you mentioned.  

 

You seem very intent on supporting the Walk Away movement, as pertaining to Democrats.

Have you spent as much time examining the numbers of Walk Aways from the GOP, since Trump had become it's head?

I think you would find it interesting because so many prominent members of the GOP, have decided to Step Away from a party that has become synonymous with hate.

 

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It's interesting in the video and a lot of panels that they parade out minorities (African American, gay man).  There have long been minority Republicans.  The queer group "Log Cabin Republicans" has been around since the 70's (trying to change from within a party that seems to only have become more hostile) for example.  They have long complained of being harassed, which isn't fair.   Condoleezza Rice has faced protests at speaking events.  It can be ugly.  

People have a core set of beliefs and whether it's indoctrinated or self-choice, or a combination of both is how most people are made up.  Spidey's Mom has stated several of her kids are conservatives (her teenage son having a Trump sticker on his lap top). But her daughter isn't I think?    My relatives in Alabama, raised in Republican territory by conservative parents and all religious are mostly conservative but for one cousin that lives in Chicago.  One of my cousins children is a conservative as well and is a preacher.  

I was raised in a non-religious home, grew up in several places because of my military dad that was a democrat, but mostly non-political and all three of us kids are flaming liberals, as is my niece.  My nieces children are shaping up to have liberal ideas as well.  

Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud that people's beliefs and values aren't necessary something they haven't thought about.  But I do think that both sides will jump on a bandwagon and run with it, especially in the age of internet and fake news.  This doesn't mean they are spewing out beliefs without thought.

I believe as do a lot of liberals in universal health care, gay rights, gun control,  etc.  And I've been to protests.  Does that mean I'm "Indoctrinated" and is that a bad thing?

Also, people change and evolve as time goes on.   I've become a bit conservative in some of my ideas as well.  When I studied anatomy and physiology I become more pro-life. I supported Obama's tough stance on illegal immigration.  I don't like our runaway spending and debt.  My father who was a life long Democrat switched sometime during the George W. Bush times and is a Trump supporter.   People have their reasons for switching parties.  

Finally, I think we have to take the good with the bad.  I've had to vote for pro-abortion, anti-gay marriage people before.  Republicans that voted for Trump felt the need to vote for him because of some of his platform they support and throw away the rest.  I get that to some extent.  It doesn't mean either has "been indoctrinated".  Perhaps some of those that didn't vote for Trump will "walk away" and perhaps some of them that did will "walk away" as well.

 

 

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I am always tickled when right-wing folks accuse the other side of taking marching orders from the media.

What does that even mean?

The media I read, and listen to, don't give marching orders.

They are simply functioning in their proper role as the People's eyes and ears.

Another check and balance on authority, if you will.

And unlike the folks criticizing the media, I actually have experience as a print and radio reporter.

I never gave marching orders. I wouldn't even know how to do that.

But when university employees were told once again, there was no money in the budget for raises, while the university president received and accepted a $200,000 bonus, I knew it was my job to uncover and spread sunshine on the story.

Marching orders?

Nope.

 

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