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It is embarrassing to watch our president rant and lie the way be did at CPAC. It's embarrassing to watch him act like a fool, hugging a flag. It's embarrassing that regular conservative people can observe Trump debase the office he holds and simply shrug their shoulders.  

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2 hours ago, herring_RN said:

In 2017 President Trump tweeted, “If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?”

On February 19th, 2019 Hayden Williams was recruiting for “Turning Point USA” when he was confronted by two men, one of whom punched him in the face and walked away. It took nine days to find and arrest the man police say committed the assault.

Williams has been on the Hannity show and others claiming the arrest was delayed because of liberal bias. Neither man is a student, but both had the legal right to be on campus.

https://www.wptv.com/news/national/report-conservative-activist-attacked-on-uc-berkeley-campus

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/02/27/conservative-activist-was-punched-face-uc-berkeley-response-enraged-right/?utm_term=.49b2d836f6a5 

The same campus began the Free Speech Movement in 1964.

I don't think Berkley violated anyone's free speech in this incident so I'm not getting what he's saying.  

The problem I see is that some schools do indeed limit access to their schools by controversial people in order to avoid confrontation and violence and the high cost of security.

But maybe he's talking about an incident there in 2017?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/college/2017/04/20/do-controversial-figures-have-a-right-to-speak-at-public-universities/37431059/

 

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I agree, the excerpts of Trump's CPAC speech that I saw and read are bizarre. Without sound, his strutting about, and body language is evocative of dictators and tyrants from other countries, and other times. 

I know some conservatives personally,  and I read the posts made here by those identifying as conservatives, and I wonder why they don't call out this alarming behavior. 

Kudos to the Warmbier family for speaking out about Trump's praise of KJU. 

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7 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I don't think Berkley violated anyone's free speech in this incident so I'm not getting what he's saying.  

The problem I see is that some schools do indeed limit access to their schools by controversial people in order to avoid confrontation and violence and the high cost of security.

But maybe he's talking about an incident there in 2017?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/college/2017/04/20/do-controversial-figures-have-a-right-to-speak-at-public-universities/37431059/

 

I ran out of time when editing my post.  DOH...still not used to that.  My post is below.

I don't think Berkley violated anyone's free speech in this incident so I'm not getting what he's saying.  

The problem I see is that some schools do indeed limit access to their schools by controversial people in order to avoid confrontation and violence and the high cost of security.  Some of these happen to be conservative people on the extreme right with crazy ideas and racist, etc.   So perhaps they are feeling picked on.  

But yeah, I wonder if  a gay marriage activist would be rejected at a place that is more conservative that received Federal funds.  But many of the more religious of them conveniently don't take federal funds.  Certainly they wouldn't be violence, but my guess is they wouldn't be given a place or time to speak on their campus.  

But maybe he's talking about an incident there in 2017?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/college/2017/04/20/do-controversial-figures-have-a-right-to-speak-at-public-universities/37431059/

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20 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I know some conservatives personally,  and I read the posts made here by those identifying as conservatives, and I wonder why they don't call out this alarming behavior. 

 

I really don't know many conservatives in real life.  One guy I used to work with has seen the light.  Not long into Trump's administration he quit watching Fox News and will not vote for him again. 

Same as with a gay man friend that really didn't like what Obama was doing to the deficit and voted for Romney, but saw the light way before Trump was elected and voted for Clinton.  He will not vote for Trump but perhaps another conservative.

 This man is a reasonably intelligent man and is a director.   He doesn't think Trump is being treated fairly in the press, points out there is no tangible evidence of any wrong doing just bad liberal press out to get him, and points to the great economy and deregulations, commitment to a safe border and military,  tax breaks as things he supports.  He also echoes what I've heard here "yeah he says dumb things now and then and I don't always believe everything he says...but....." and will vote for him again.

Really, I'm trying to think of anyone else I know in real life.  I tend to hang around gay men mostly and I've said before 80 to 90% of them are Democrats.  My family around me are all liberal, other than my 85 year old father that has been mostly Democrat moderate up until the last few years when he seems to have lost his mind.

 

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32 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

 

I know some conservatives personally,  and I read the posts made here by those identifying as conservatives, and I wonder why they don't call out this alarming behavior. 

 

I believe I’m by far the most frequent conservative poster here.  My very last post before this one was calling out his bad behavior.

Perhaps it happens more often then you realize.  It seems you may not always pay attention to it.

 

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47 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

You might want to read the article.  It debunks the STD stat.

Busted.  I just couldn't stomach reading things like "Obama put us in a State of Anarchy", "Hillary belongs in jail", "Trump gets people like us with old fashioned values".

I do know this from someone I've met that used to live there is that there is a big swingers community.  The men put their keys in a bowl, and the women pick a key blindly and go home with that man for sex.  I'm all for it.  Seniors having an active sex life is a good thing.

I Googled before making my statement and I believe it to be true that there was a rise in STD rates at the time of the reports.  However the media did overblow it.  How that compares to other retirement communities, I'm not sure.  Given their conservative nature I thought the story was worth mentioning.  But really it was kind of a low blow I admit.

  

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The Villages do have a reputation! 

I thought it was interesting that so many residents are ex military. But then it occurred to me that they are very accustomed to living in communities completely controlled by someone else, where they are afforded very few choices in external appearances or conduct. 

Also interesting is how they evolve to support thinking previously considered extreme.  

Did anyone else perceive an undercurrent of racism?

Thanks for sharing the article,  Tweety.

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

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I thought it was interesting that so many residents are ex military. But then it occurred to me that they are very accustomed to living in communities completely controlled by someone else, where they are afforded very few choices in external appearances or conduct. 

[...]

And you base this conclusion on how many years of active duty military service?

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16 minutes ago, chare said:

And you base this conclusion on how many years of active duty military service?

Is service in the military a requisite for having knowledge of the military? Do though have a specific disagreement with the conclusion or was this simply an opportunity to rudely change the subject to me? 

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23 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Is service in the military a requisite for having knowledge of the military? Do though have a specific disagreement with the conclusion or was this simply an opportunity to rudely change the subject to me? 

Yes, I do have a specific disagreement.  And no, prior service in the military is not necessarily a requisite for having knowledge of the service.  If you are discussing equipment, the budget, operational matters, deployment, or many of the many similar categories, then no, prior service is not required.  

However, you wrote very specific comment that ex military were “accustomed to living in communities completely controlled by someone else, where they are afforded very few choices in external appearances or conduct.”  This implies some knowledge of a military lifestyle, and I was curious as to what you based this opinion on.  Especially considering that it isn’t reflective of my 20 years in the Marine Corps.
 

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