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48 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

My feelings are that regardless the time of an abortion a baby is killed. I know good people who do not believe this. I think a significant minority believe as some good people I know, that the soul enters the body with the first breath and the fetus is a potential person, not yet human until the first breath.

But for the many who think or feel early abortion is more acceptable the facts may bring some comfort.

Twice the same year I was blessed with the opportunity to listen and help two newly pregnant high school friends of my kids. Both wanted an abortion and for their parents to not find out. They were afraid to tell their parents. After many days and hours of listening both knew they needed to tell their parents and I offered to go with them.

One, whose parents I barely knew was told by her step father to get out. The mother told her to leave too. She wanted to keep her baby. Catholic charities helped find a place for her to live on a convent with working and aging nuns. A social worker helped a lot. She lived with those nuns while finishing high school and then nursing school. My daughter and I last saw her at graduation. Her daughter was then a cheerful girl whoce grandmother also attended and seemed very proud of her daughter, the nurse.

The other's parents hugged her and told he how much they loved her. They found an adoption agency and my daughter's friend gave up her baby. That was more than thirty years ago. She now has a son and a daughter who know their mother gave up a sibling. I pray for these people often.

You are a wonderful soul, herring.

I know that I appreciate you being on AN.

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1 hour ago, herring_RN said:

My feelings are that regardless the time of an abortion a baby is killed. I know good people who do not believe this. I think a significant minority believe as some good people I know, that the soul enters the body with the first breath and the fetus is a potential person, not yet human until the first breath.

But for the many who think or feel early abortion is more acceptable the facts may bring some comfort.

Twice the same year I was blessed with the opportunity to listen and help two newly pregnant high school friends of my kids. Both wanted an abortion and for their parents to not find out. They were afraid to tell their parents. After many days and hours of listening both knew they needed to tell their parents and I offered to go with them.

One, whose parents I barely knew was told by her step father to get out. The mother told her to leave too. She wanted to keep her baby. Catholic charities helped find a place for her to live on a convent with working and aging nuns. A social worker helped a lot. She lived with those nuns while finishing high school and then nursing school. My daughter and I last saw her at graduation. Her daughter was then a cheerful girl whoce grandmother also attended and seemed very proud of her daughter, the nurse.

The other's parents hugged her and told he how much they loved her. They found an adoption agency and my daughter's friend gave up her baby. That was more than thirty years ago. She now has a son and a daughter who know their mother gave up a sibling. I pray for these people often.

Herring, I respect your personal feelings about abortion.  I completely understand why so many feel the same way.  I'm not comfortable with abortion being used as a form of birth control.  That being said, I strongly feel it is not right for the government to legislate what a woman can or cannot do with her body.  I want the procedure to be safe and legal for those who choose it.  I want those who oppose abortion to fully support open access to birth control, realistic sex education, and support the provision of financial, emotional, and medical care to women and the children we bear.  That support, I feel, is the best way of reducing the need for abortion.  Should the worst happen and a fetus is not viable or the mother's health is endangered, then that woman has the right to not continue that pregnancy.  She should not have to travel hundreds of miles and spend thousands of dollars to seek the care she needs.  That's why I feel the recent legislation is important and necessary.

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5 minutes ago, BCgradnurse said:

Herring, I respect your personal feelings about abortion.  I completely understand why so many feel the same way.  I'm not comfortable with abortion being used as a form of birth control.  That being said, I strongly feel it is not right for the government to legislate what a woman can or cannot do with her body.  I want the procedure to be safe and legal for those who choose it.  I want those who oppose abortion to fully support open access to birth control, realistic sex education, and support the provision of financial, emotional, and medical care to women and the children we bear.  That support, I feel, is the best way of reducing the need for abortion.  Should the worst happen and a fetus is not viable or the mother's health is endangered, then that woman has the right to not continue that pregnancy.  She should not have to travel hundreds of miles and spend thousands of dollars to seek the care she needs.  That's why I feel the recent legislation is important and necessary.

I agree. I remember working as a CNA before Roe v Wade. More than one young woman or girl died after an illegal or self attempt at aborting her baby. One died of sepsis on our med-surg unit after having an abortion in Mexico. 

I think abortion should be legal to prevent two deaths instead of one. 

Of course like most I think education and access to birth control is best. 

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44 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

Aporoval rating highest in 23 months.  It seems govt shutdown and the constant efforts to delegitimize his presidency haven’t hurt him too much.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/trumps-approval-rating-rises-to-52-percent-highest-since-2017/

He gave a good State of the Union speech and the jobs report was good.  I think this would explain it.   Obama's ratings went up as well after the State of the Union.

Time will tell if he's intelligent enough to not screw it up. 

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DJT is in El Paso tonight, speaking in an arena that holds 6500. 

O'Rourke is speaking at a nearby counter-protest that police estimate is 10,000 or 15,000 people. 

Trump tells his audience there are 35,000 attending his rally, and Beto has 200 or 300. 

Such a sad, pathetic being. 

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1 minute ago, nursej22 said:

DJT is in El Paso tonight, speaking in an arena that holds 6500. 

O'Rourke is speaking at a nearby counter-protest that police estimate is 10,000 or 15,000 people. 

Trump tells his audience there are 35,000 attending his rally, and Beto has 200 or 300. 

Such a sad, pathetic being. 

I can't stand how he makes things up,

Best friend is from El Paso.  He saids it's a solidly Democrat area in a conservative state, and majority Hispanic, and is surprised Trump would get even 1000 to come to a rally of his.  Beto represents El Paso and is from there and it would be no surprise that his rally was bigger.  The facts will come out, why would he make stuff up?

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16 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

DJT is in El Paso tonight, speaking in an arena that holds 6500. 

O'Rourke is speaking at a nearby counter-protest that police estimate is 10,000 or 15,000 people. 

Trump tells his audience there are 35,000 attending his rally, and Beto has 200 or 300. 

Such a sad, pathetic being. 

Yes, a gross exaggeration.

However, there were a few thousand outside if Trump’s. And if the ORiurke people are saying 10-15000, it’s closer to 10.  There shouldn’t be that wide an estimate for that size.

Its a draw.  And, it doesn’t matter.

 

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3 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

Yes, a gross exaggeration.

However, there were a few thousand outside if Trump’s. And if the ORiurke people are saying 10-15000, it’s closer to 10.  There shouldn’t be that wide an estimate for that size.

Its a draw.  And, it doesn’t matter.

 

It matters to Trump. Crowd size was the very first thing that Trump insisted that his staff lie to the public about after he was sworn in. 

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2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It matters to Trump. Crowd size was the very first thing that Trump insisted that his staff lie to the public about after he was sworn in. 

You’re probably right.  Again, in the big picture, it’s meaningless.

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42 minutes ago, Tweety said:

He gave a good State of the Union speech and the jobs report was good.  I think this would explain it.   Obama's ratings went up as well after the State of the Union.

Time will tell if he's intelligent enough to not screw it up. 

I agree, and it does seem like whenever he is on a good run he says or does  something that makes me cringe.  But, here we are two years into this roller coaster and he’s where he is.

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7 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

Yes, a gross exaggeration.

However, there were a few thousand outside if Trump’s. And if the ORiurke people are saying 10-15000, it’s closer to 10.  There shouldn’t be that wide an estimate for that size.

Its a draw.  And, it doesn’t matter.

 

You're are right  that crowd size doesn't matter at this event.

But the pattern of mendacity is what troubles me. I am not sure that person can even tell truth from exaggeration to flat out, intentional lie. That bothers me, and that his cult of followers don't even care. They don't care if they did or didn't get a tax cut. They don't care if social security and medicare is destroyed. They don't care if North Korea has nuclear weapons aimed at us, and they don't care if our elections are being manipulated by a foreign power. 

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