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6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I chose not to answer your question about why because an Internet

7 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Honestly, I don’t know what to make of why some want late term abortion.  I often dont understand liberal views, so just add this to the list.  There are already laws on the books, why do we need to relax them.  Especially in NY 25% of pregnancies end in in abortion, it doesn’t seem being allowed to have one is an issue.

A half-dozen or more people have commented here since I asked under what medical circumstances does a abortion immediately before birth need to happen? No one has anything to say.  I haven’t heard those sponsoring this legislation offer anything.

To address your comment in another post, when I said liberals are afraid of the pro-abortion crowd I was speaking of politicians.  When Pelosi was asked her opinion on what VA governor said, she could have said he was taken out of context, or she could have said she doesn’t agree with his views or the proposed legislation.  Instead she claimed she doesn’t know what he said.

 

Yes, I know you meant politicians.  Pelosi is being political but "being deathly afraid".  I don't think so.  She's stood up to Bush, Trump and many other people. She's not afraid of much.

Just like Republicans are being political and not standing up to Trump and saying much to contradict him, she doesn't seem to want to stir that pot.  But "deathly afraid" is an exaggeration.  In my opinion.

I'm a bit baffled why it's such an issue especially when it's so rare.  Perhaps it needs to be easier for people seeking medically necessary ones.  I need to investigate further.  I don't think taking a viable baby's life is right.  All avenues to safe both lives should be explored.  Premature care has advanced to the point viable lives are saved earlier and earlier.  Even in some of the cases mentioned by Herring above, I think the human life could be saved. I think this is the majority view.  That's said, it's a medical decision not a political one.  

I stay out of these discussions though.

 

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8 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

Read the views of medical professionals, dude.

If you do, you will learn that the term you insist on using, is slang used by anti-choice zealots, looking to push forth their point of view.

But you knew that, didn't you.

Medical professionals don't use that term.

And since the procedure covered by the updated laws is rarely used, it seems hardly worthy for the right-wing to get their panties in a rage about.

Of course, it is one way to get the focus off of the heap of trouble awaiting Trump.

Looks like Democrats have a plan to get a hold of his tax returns.

The Trump Inaugural Committee us feeling heat.

Congressional Republicans are finally starting to push back against him.

Democrats are addressing climate change.

And it is highly doubtful Trump will get the money he wants for a border wall.

But by all means, let's continue vilify a medical procedure that is rarely ever used.

It's just the latest "shiny object" thrown out by the right wing.

I have to agree with Nel. It's just a distraction that the Right is throwing out there.  This procedure is very rarely done and only in dire circumstances.  You can't walk into your local Planned Parenthood at 36 weeks and say "Hey, I changed my mind about this pregnancy and want to terminate."  There may be only 1-2 places in the US where this can be done, and very strict criteria have to be met.  It's disengenous and utterly false for the Conservatives to tout this as a popular procedure that is done for convenience.  It is between a woman and her doctor, and is no one else's business.

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1 hour ago, BCgradnurse said:

I have to agree with Nel. It's just a distraction that the Right is throwing out there.  This procedure is very rarely done and only in dire circumstances.  You can't walk into your local Planned Parenthood at 36 weeks and say "Hey, I changed my mind about this pregnancy and want to terminate."  There may be only 1-2 places in the US where this can be done, and very strict criteria have to be met.  It's disengenous and utterly false for the Conservatives to tout this as a popular procedure that is done for convenience.  It is between a woman and her doctor, and is no one else's business.

You sound uninformed on why the topic was brought up.  You realize just recently NY just passed legislation and a bill was proposed in VA to take away the “strict criteria” you mentioned?  There are a handful of other states considering legislation.  When do you think would be a good time to talk about banning it?

”Under current Virginia law, third-trimester abortions are only permitted if the risk to the mother's life is "substantial and irremediable" - language that Democrats wanted removed.

The Democratic bill sought to allow for late-term abortions if the mother's physical or mental safety were at risk .

The procedure would also have required sign-off by only one doctor, rather than the three required under existing law.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066307

I know it’s relatively rare.  It seems there are some that believe it should be allowed more freely.

I laugh at the “distraction” theory.  What are we supposed to be distracted from?  Who is being distracted?  You?  Anyone here? I think everyone is by this point well-aware of everything swirling around the Trump presidency.  His approval rating has been pretty consistent.  Depending on where you live, 3 to 6 out of 10 people you come across think he’s doing a good job.  That hasn’t varied much.  I don’t think taking a few seconds to mention this issue has distracted anyone from anything.  If you disapproved of him before, I’m sure you still do today.

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49 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

You sound uninformed on why the topic was brought up.  You realize just recently NY just passed legislation and a bill was proposed in VA to take away the “strict criteria” you mentioned?  There are a handful of other states considering legislation.  When do you think would be a good time to talk about banning it?

”Under current Virginia law, third-trimester abortions are only permitted if the risk to the mother's life is "substantial and irremediable" - language that Democrats wanted removed.

The Democratic bill sought to allow for late-term abortions if the mother's physical or mental safety were at risk .

The procedure would also have required sign-off by only one doctor, rather than the three required under existing law.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066307

I know it’s relatively rare.  It seems there are some that believe it should be allowed more freely.

I laugh at the “distraction” theory.  What are we supposed to be distracted from?  Who is being distracted?  You?  Anyone here? I think everyone is by this point well-aware of everything swirling around the Trump presidency.  His approval rating has been pretty consistent.  Depending on where you live, 3 to 6 out of 10 people you come across think he’s doing a good job.  That hasn’t varied much.  I don’t think taking a few seconds to mention this issue has distracted anyone from anything.  If you disapproved of him before, I’m sure you still do today.

It is you who is misinformed.

But as I stated earlier, so long as you make sense in your own mind, it is all good.

You have not changed anyone's mind on the topic on this thread.

You continue to use rhetoric that is unfounded according to medical professionals.

And most of us understand the distraction.

Leading up to the midterms, it was the "crisis" at the border.

That fell flat for Trump and minions.

Now, leading up to 2020 elections, it is the abortion "crisis."

It plays very well to his base, and nobody else.

Personally, I hope he continues with this tactic. It is another losing propostion.

One thing about Trump, he never learns from his mistakes, and that is such a gift to his opponents.

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14 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

It is you who is misinformed.

But as I stated earlier, so long as you make sense in your own mind, it is all good.

You have not changed anyone's mind on the topic on this thread.

You continue to use rhetoric that is unfounded according to medical professionals.

And most of us understand the distraction.

Leading up to the midterms, it was the "crisis" at the border.

That fell flat for Trump and minions.

Now, leading up to 2020 elections, it is the abortion "crisis."

It plays very well to his base, and nobody else.

Personally, I hope he continues with this tactic. It is another losing propostion.

One thing about Trump, he never learns from his mistakes, and that is such a gift to his opponents.

I have acknowledged I may be uninformed.  I have asked twice now for evidence that we need more relaxed late-term abortion laws.  Ive gotten two responses that suggest I should easily find that info online.  Which is hysterical because those two posters have never hesitated before to provide a source that they believe shows I’m wrong about something.  Tweety admitted he didn’t know if any.  That’s all I’ve gotten.

Im not a anti-abortion person.  But I believe it should have a medical reason.  So, thus far I, like a overwhelming number of Americans, am against late-term abortions and don’t see why we need relaxed laws regarding them.

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41 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

I have acknowledged I may be uninformed.  I have asked twice now for evidence that we need more relaxed late-term abortion laws.  Ive gotten two responses that suggest I should easily find that info online.  Which is hysterical because those two posters have never hesitated before to provide a source that they believe shows I’m wrong about something.  Tweety admitted he didn’t know if any.  That’s all I’ve gotten.

Im not a anti-abortion person.  But I believe it should have a medical reason.  So, thus far I, like a overwhelming number of Americans, am against late-term abortions and don’t see why we need relaxed laws regarding them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/06/tough-questions-answers-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2708e03420d8

Does this help clarify things for you?

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38 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

I have acknowledged I may be uninformed.  I have asked twice now for evidence that we need more relaxed late-term abortion laws.  Ive gotten two responses that suggest I should easily find that info online.  Which is hysterical because those two posters have never hesitated before to provide a source that they believe shows I’m wrong about something.  Tweety admitted he didn’t know if any.  That’s all I’ve gotten.

Im not a anti-abortion person.  But I believe it should have a medical reason.  So, thus far I, like a overwhelming number of Americans, am against late-term abortions and don’t see why we need relaxed laws regarding them.

I agree with you that I dont see a need for the change of language that was used in the (new) NY law. It already stated that a woman could have a late term abortion for a medical reason, they changed it to ease up on the "medical" so now can be emotional etc. If it was a true medical reason than a C-section should cover that. It makes me sick to think about what they can do to those (full term) babies (and any of you that don't think so just watch a video of late term abortion), and even worse the fact that the NY lawmakers were "celebrating" that fact, disgusting!

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18 minutes ago, BCgradnurse said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/06/tough-questions-answers-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2708e03420d8

Does this help clarify things for you?

The snotty, unecessary rhetorical question aside, I do appreciate this.  It did lay out a few examples I was looking for.  

I also found this quote interesting:

"A Congressional Research Service report published in April 2018 quoted Diana Greene Foster, the lead investigator on the study above and a professor at UCSF’s Bixby Center for Global Reproductive Health as saying “[t]here aren’t good data on how often later abortions are for medical reasons.”

“Based on limited research and discussions with researchers in the field, Dr. Foster believes that abortions for fetal anomaly ‘make up a small minority of later abortion’ and that those for life endangerment are even harder to characterize,” the report stated."

Your article didn't really lay out why relaxed laws are needed.  Do you believe late-term abortion laws need to ne relaxed?

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59 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

The snotty, unecessary rhetorical question aside, I do appreciate this.  It did lay out a few examples I was looking for.  

I also found this quote interesting:

"A Congressional Research Service report published in April 2018 quoted Diana Greene Foster, the lead investigator on the study above and a professor at UCSF’s Bixby Center for Global Reproductive Health as saying “[t]here aren’t good data on how often later abortions are for medical reasons.”

“Based on limited research and discussions with researchers in the field, Dr. Foster believes that abortions for fetal anomaly ‘make up a small minority of later abortion’ and that those for life endangerment are even harder to characterize,” the report stated."

Your article didn't really lay out why relaxed laws are needed.  Do you believe late-term abortion laws need to ne relaxed?

My statement was not meant to be snotty.  Sorry if you took it to be so.

I think access to late term terminations must be guaranteed, and a woman should not have to go through physical and emotional torment if both she and her physician decide this is the best course of action.  If laws need to be re-written to guarantee this access, then yes, I support that.

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The CDC showed that about 1.3 percent of abortions performed in the United States in 2015 occurred in or after the 21st week of pregnancy. Abortions after 24 weeks comprise less than one percent of all abortions.

When they occur, it is usually because the fetus has been found to have a fatal condition that could not be detected earlier, such as a severe malformation of the brain, or because the mother’s life or health is at serious risk.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

 

My feelings are that regardless the time of an abortion a baby is killed. I know good people who do not believe this. I think a significant minority believe as some good people I know, that the soul enters the body with the first breath and the fetus is a potential person, not yet human until the first breath.

But for the many who think or feel early abortion is more acceptable the facts may bring some comfort.

Twice the same year I was blessed with the opportunity to listen and help two newly pregnant high school friends of my kids. Both wanted an abortion and for their parents to not find out. They were afraid to tell their parents. After many days and hours of listening both knew they needed to tell their parents and I offered to go with them.

One, whose parents I barely knew was told by her step father to get out. The mother told her to leave too. She wanted to keep her baby. Catholic charities helped find a place for her to live on a convent with working and aging nuns. A social worker helped a lot. She lived with those nuns while finishing high school and then nursing school. My daughter and I last saw her at graduation. Her daughter was then a cheerful girl whoce grandmother also attended and seemed very proud of her daughter, the nurse.

The other's parents hugged her and told he how much they loved her. They found an adoption agency and my daughter's friend gave up her baby. That was more than thirty years ago. She now has a son and a daughter who know their mother gave up a sibling. I pray for these people often.

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In summer of 1956 the mother of my sister's friend was crying in the supermarket. he told by Mom that she was diagnosed with uterine cancer. She was postponing treatment until the pregnancy progressed so the baby could live outside her.

Later that fall she was again crying with a tomato in her hand. She appeared VERY pregnant as she told my Mom, "The baby is dead." The next day she had surgery. It was a boy, who had older sisters. That lady didn't die of her cancer. Recently my sister told me her friends mother died. 

 

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