The President Donald Trump Thread

40 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

So, you refuse to explain what you wrote.

Okay.

As long as your statement makes sense in your own head, I guess that is all that matters.

Im sure you must have read about it in the Washington Post.

The relaxation of abortion laws in NY.  And then the proposed legislation in VA in which the sponsor of the bill said abortion could occur immediately before birth, and then the governor suggested it could also happen after birth.  If infanticide isn’t the correct term, then what would you call it?

I haven’t heard many if any in the left criticize those comments or the bill.  Except for the co-sponsor (a nurse practitioner) who admitted she didn’t read it all and then withdrew her sponsorship after realizing what it was.

Pelosi claimed she didn’t hear what the governor said, and still I don’t believe she has made a comment.

As far as elected officials go, the left is made up of two groups.  The pro-abortion zealots and those who are deathly afraid of the pro-abortion zealots. 

9 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Late term abortions, and certainly after-birth “abortions” have nothing to do with reproductive health.

That's an odd thing for a health professional to say while using urban slang to generate an emotional response. 

 

1 hour ago, SC_RNDude said:

I agree with most of this, although I don’t see how ending a life right before or after birth is a medical decision.

You should read about how pregnancy is a medical condition that endangers the life of the woman.  There's an entire medical specialty dedicated to it. 

42 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

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The relaxation of abortion laws in NY.  And then the proposed legislation in VA in which the sponsor of the bill said abortion could occur immediately before birth, and then the governor suggested it could also happen after birth.  If infanticide isn’t the correct term, then what would you call it?

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There are two issues here.  First, the content of the bill that was signed into law, and second, Mr. Northam’s comments.

Regarding the content of the bill.  Yes, it would allow late-term abortion in instances in which the life or health of the mother was in danger; to include after the onset of labor prior to delivery of the fetus.  While I would hope that after carrying the pregnancy to term the expectant mother would opt for cesarean delivery, this decision is neither mine, nor yours to make. 

As for Mr. Northam’s comments.  It seems to me that you, and many that oppose abortion, are taking his comments out of context.  None of the video that I have been able to find includes the question that he was asked, and all begin with his response.  And while Mr. Northam generally supported the bill, it appears that his comments were in response to a specific hypothetical question.  Gov. Northam defends abortion bill comments after backlash

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Wednesday morning on WTOP’s “Ask the Governor,” Northam defended HB2491, sponsored by Del. Kathy Tran (D-District 42). The governor spoke about a hypothetical scenario where an infant that was unable to survive or severely deformed after birth.

The governor said, “the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired.” 

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220,000 students have suffered gun violence since Columbine. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/local/school-shootings-database/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5d070640170a

And yet DJT and conservatives want to focus on a very rare, very personal procedure that perhaps only 4 providers in the US (all over the age of 60) actually carry out. 

Pay no attention to what's really killing children, just pay attention to the hyperbole that grifters like DJT and Jerry Falwell are spouting. 

 

11 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

220,000 students have suffered gun violence since Columbine. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/local/school-shootings-database/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5d070640170a

And yet DJT and conservatives want to focus on a very rare, very personal procedure that perhaps only 4 providers in the US (all over the age of 60) actually carry out. 

Pay no attention to what's really killing children, just pay attention to the hyperbole that grifters like DJT and Jerry Falwell are spouting. 

 

Again, where is the concern for children after they are born?  Caging them at the border, decreased funding for education, taking away health insurance, refusal to pay for birth control, refusing to discuss gun violence, etc. all seem to be fine with the same people who want to be all up in the uteri of women.  I believe a big part of this is the desire to exert control over women.  

5 hours ago, chare said:

There are two issues here.  First, the content of the bill that was signed into law, and second, Mr. Northam’s comments.

Regarding the content of the bill.  Yes, it would allow late-term abortion in instances in which the life or health of the mother was in danger; to include after the onset of labor prior to delivery of the fetus.  While I would hope that after carrying the pregnancy to term the expectant mother would opt for cesarean delivery, this decision is neither mine, nor yours to make. 

As for Mr. Northam’s comments.  It seems to me that you, and many that oppose abortion, are taking his comments out of context.  None of the video that I have been able to find includes the question that he was asked, and all begin with his response.  And while Mr. Northam generally supported the bill, it appears that his comments were in response to a specific hypothetical question.  Gov. Northam defends abortion bill comments after backlash

In what circumstances would the fetus being aborted immediately before birth be safer for the mother?  At that point, the fetus still has to be delivered whether it is alive or not.

How often has a mother suffered serious complications or death because a late-term abortion was not available?

I don’t know if Northinghams comments were taken out of context or not.  My opinion is no.  Regardless, I do know most Dems are not touching them with a ten foot pole.  They are not wanting to defend them because even they know most Americans are horrified by what he said.  At they same time they don’t want to denounce them because they are terrified of the pro-abortion zealots.  That’s why we get a”I don’t know what he said” from Pelosi.

And, I do not flat out oppose abortion as you say.

2 hours ago, nursej22 said:

220,000 students have suffered gun violence since Columbine. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/local/school-shootings-database/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5d070640170a

And yet DJT and conservatives want to focus on a very rare, very personal procedure that perhaps only 4 providers in the US (all over the age of 60) actually carry out. 

Pay no attention to what's really killing children, just pay attention to the hyperbole that grifters like DJT and Jerry Falwell are spouting. 

 

New legislation and proposals by Democrats is what brought this to our attention.  Not the focus on it from conservatives.  Trump and conservatives are playing defense.

If you think that Democrats should be focusing on curbing gun violence rather then making it easier for abortions to happen, I would agree.

 

 

34 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

New legislation and proposals by Democrats is what brought this to our attention.  Not the focus on it from conservatives.  Trump and conservatives are playing defense.

If you think that Democrats should be focusing on curbing gun violence rather then making it easier for abortions to happen, I would agree.

 

 

Another false choice. There is no reason that Democrats can't address a broad variety of concerns that citizens have raised all concurrently. 

35 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

New legislation and proposals by Democrats is what brought this to our attention.  Not the focus on it from conservatives.  Trump and conservatives are playing defense.

If you think that Democrats should be focusing on curbing gun violence rather then making it easier for abortions to happen, I would agree.

 

 

So DJT mentioned late term abortions in his State of the Union address because he's playing defense? Well, maybe, if it takes the focus off of investigations into Russian interference, his tax returns, his inauguration committee,  Deutsche Bank and Justice Kennedy's son, etc. 

And yes, the House is starting hearings on gun violence for the first time in 10 years. 

7 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's an odd thing for a health professional to say while using urban slang to generate an emotional response. 

 

It's the slang of anti-choice zealots.

Heard it all before.

Same old lies.

I simply cannot take seriously the concerns of politicians and people over the VA and NY abortion bills, when these very same people supported the separation of children, including INFANTS from their parents.

I also cannot take these peoples concerns seriously when they fail to support any common sense gun legislation to stop the needless murder of American school children.

I really had a good laugh in my car today when I heard Trump tell the National Prayer Breakfast crowd, how all babies, born and unborn are created in God's image.

What a hoot!!!!

This crap coming from the man who directed the zero tolerance policy.

He is a total buffoon.

The only folks who believed that line are the Trumpsters and the Evangelicals.