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Congressman Tom Suozzi, a centrist Democrat from New York, was right when he recently lambasted the extremist immigration rhetoric coming from his party. "Open borders is not a winning policy," he said. "I'm a strong supporter, as are most Democrats, of strong border security."

I never said that everyone on the left was for open and/or porous borders, rather I responded to elkpark's comment. However, since a Democratic member of the house has gone on record that "Open borders is not a winning policy" it does make one wonder what they are actually advocating.

I am more than willing to listen to what the Democratic party's stance on immigration is. However, am waiting to hear more than that they believe in "common sense" immigration, as that isn't very informative.

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To start with, I've seen the deputy chair of the DNC wears a t-shirt that says he doesn't believe in borders, and Oscasio-Cortez is joined by others in saying ICE should be abolished.

Opposing the specific, recently-created, agency, ICE and its excessive and abusive tactics is not the same as supporting "open borders." And a t-shirt? That's what you've got?

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How do you know this? Are you privy to what she was doing?

But yes, I might agree with you here, but like I said stealing a bag of apples might not be as bad as stealing a TV, but a thief is a thief even though one sentence might be lighter than the other. The "lock her up" crowd needs to stop saying "it's not as bad as Clinton" and call it what it is and hold her accountable.

That will never happen. They defend , or at best, minimize EVERYTHING.

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Just assessing your consistency. Not everyone here is. It would appear then that there are far more then 500 criminals in the caravan as many of them crossed into Mexico illegally, but that's another thread and not directed at you personally.

The "Obama deported more then any other president" myth has been debunked for awhile now. Democrats in power want porous borders.

FACT CHECK: Were More People Deported Under the Obama Administration Than Any Other?

I should be insulted that you feel the need to assess my consistency.

Thanks for that and I stand corrected.

But tell me how does this idea during Obama's administration that ICE ""prioritize convicted criminals and threats to public safety, border security, and national security."" conflict with conservative ideas and mean that Democrats want "porous borders". Deportations, however they are described, continued under Democrat control.

What I see you doing is defining the liberal agenda by the far left, as the article you posted from The Hill speaks of. Is that any more fair than associating republicans with the White Patriots?

No, Democrats Don't Want 'Open Borders' - The New York Times

Donald Trump falsely claims there's an 'open borders bill' backed by Democrats | PolitiFact

Calls to Abolish ICE Not 'Open Borders' - FactCheck.org

Frankly, like Portugal and Spain, imagine the billions we could save if we actually had open borders where people could pass freely. Would be nice. Of course there's those criminals, cheap laborers stealing our jobs and drugs.

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Trump tweets:

"Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?" Again, showing ignorance of science.

"So-called comedian Michelle Wolf bombed so badly last year at the White House Correspondents' Dinner that this year, for the first time in decades, they will have an author instead of a comedian. Good first step in comeback of a dying evening and tradition! Maybe I will go?" - Really this is just catty and un-Presidential. Her response was "I bet you'd be on my side if I killed a journalist". She can be catty, she's not President. LOL

"Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let's go lower!" - I'm actually happy that oil prices are lower. But his timing so soon after the brutal murder of a journalist at their hands is a bit off.

Twitter Erupts Over Donald Trump's Low Oil Price 'Thank You' To Saudi Arabia | HuffPost

Gas prices drop 26 cents in a week; some areas below $2 a gallon - ABC News

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Trump tweets:

"Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?" Again, showing ignorance of science.

"So-called comedian Michelle Wolf bombed so badly last year at the White House Correspondents' Dinner that this year, for the first time in decades, they will have an author instead of a comedian. Good first step in comeback of a dying evening and tradition! Maybe I will go?" - Really this is just catty and un-Presidential. Her response was "I bet you'd be on my side if I killed a journalist". She can be catty, she's not President. LOL

"Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let's go lower!" - I'm actually happy that oil prices are lower. But his timing so soon after the brutal murder of a journalist at their hands is a bit off.

Twitter Erupts Over Donald Trump's Low Oil Price 'Thank You' To Saudi Arabia | HuffPost

Gas prices drop 26 cents in a week; some areas below $2 a gallon - ABC News

I am looking forward to seeing how our new, Trump supporting Governor is going to respond to those remarks about oil prices.

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I should be insulted that you feel the need to assess my consistency.

No insult intended. That was directed at others, through you...I'm sure not very effective I'll admit.

But tell me how does this idea during Obama's administration that ICE ""prioritize convicted criminals and threats to public safety, border security, and national security."" conflict with conservative ideas and mean that Democrats want "porous borders". Deportations, however they are described, continued under Democrat control.

Democrats have changed. Look at their remarks from the 90's and even through right around the time Obama took over. On immigration, they sound like Republicans do now.

We've all heard that the MSM is a arm of the Democrat party. I recently heard (can't remember who) a theory that it is the other way around. In effect, the Democrats are doing the work of the liberal media, and that gives them power.

I'm beginning to see this, based laregly on the immigration issue. The liberal media uses this issue against republicans, and the Democrats see this as a opportunity to keep themselves in power.

I'll have to find where I got this from, because I'm not explaining it well.

What I see you doing is defining the liberal agenda by the far left, as the article you posted from The Hill speaks of. Is that any more fair than associating republicans with the White Patriots?

I think the far-left is not far anymore. It's just the "left". These aren't White Patriot equivelants we're talk about. Keith Ellsion is a congressman, and deputy chair of the DNC. He wore a T-Shirt, in a parade, which was in spanish, saying he does not believe in borders. And then there was his quotes in The Hill article (someone else posted BTW) about borders. Oscasio-Cortez, a congresswomen that DNC Chairman Tom Perez called the new face of the Democrat Party. It seems these people might be influencial in driving the liberal agenda.

As someone else (cant remember if Daisy or Chare) alluded too, the seasoned Democrats don't seem to go against these ideas of the newer progressives on principle. It's only that they think they will lose votes becasue of them.

Perhaps, Tweety, you'll be voting Republican soon. Lol! Come on, it's time to switch teams, you can do it! I did.

Frankly, like Portugal and Spain, imagine the billions we could save if we actually had open borders where people could pass freely. Would be nice. Of course there's those criminals, cheap laborers stealing our jobs and drugs.

Some immigration is needed and welcomed. I don't need more criminals coming in. And, there is something to be said about cheap labor driving down our wages. I neevr experienced it, but if you go back in the pages of AN there are threads about Filipino nurses coming here and driving down nurse wages when there were plenty of new grads looking for jobs. Protecting our own interestes doesn't make us racists.

And, then there is the cultural aspect of it. There are many immigrants who do want to become Americans. That doesn't mean they shouldn't practice their own customs.

However, there are many who do not want to assimilate at all, do not want to learn english or participate in our traditions. They just want to be here and reap our benefits.

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As long as the Republican Party can vote someone in like Trump and brush aside his offenses, then no I won't be joining anytime soon. As long as people like Pence whom actively push a Christian agenda (that's notably anti-gay) then no I won't be joining soon. But I think you know this. LOL

Count me in one of the people that bemoan Filipino nurses being imported when thousands of people are on waiting lists. Here in Florida investing in higher education isn't a priority with tax cuts being handed out, so the problem will persist here at least where there's a huge Filipino nursing community.

Political machines have long used the media to their advantage. Make no mistake about it the Republican wing and their frequent interviews on Fox News has a huge influence, as does the Democrats currently using CNN and MSNB to their advantage. PR firms get paid millions to do this.

I can see your point about "the New Face of the Democratic Party". The Republicans went through this in their objection/hatred of Obama with the rise of the Tea Party, a force to be reckoned with, a force that ultimately lead to Trump which ultimately lead to the success of the far left. So perhaps it's a bit more mainstream that I'm willing to admit to myself.

Still a good deal of Democrats don't want higher taxes, lax borders, and deficit spending and aren't that far left. Some may even switch if the are very middle of the road. But some of us certainly can't tolerate separating parents from their children, out of control military spending, withdrawal from anything remotely to help the environment...etc. etc. and like me will vote for an extreme left candidate if that is the choice, such as here in Florida for governor when it was a Trump supporter vs. a Sanders supporter. I felt the Sanders supporter would hurt the economy by raising taxes but there was no way I could stomach the other guy.

Interesting times.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/02/this-astonishing-chart-shows-how-republicans-are-an-endangered-species/?utm_term=.79ee65a75090

Scholars and political scientists actually try to measure and study such things.

"Political scientists have known for years that political polarization is largely a one-sided phenomenon: in recent decades the Republican Party*has moved to the right much faster than Democrats have moved to the left. As Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution*has described it, "Republicans have become a radical insurgency-ideologically extreme, contemptuous of the inherited policy regime, scornful of compromise, unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence, and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of their political opposition."

The data backing this claim up are pretty solid. The most widely-used measure of political polarization, a*score of ideology based on voting*developed by Kenneth Poole and Howard Rosenthal, has shown that the Republicans in the Senate and especially the House have drifted away from the center far more rapidly than Democrats"

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/02/this-astonishing-chart-shows-how-republicans-are-an-endangered-species/?utm_term=.79ee65a75090

Scholars and political scientists actually try to measure and study such things.

"Political scientists have known for years that political polarization is largely a one-sided phenomenon: in recent decades the Republican Party*has moved to the right much faster than Democrats have moved to the left. As Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution*has described it, "Republicans have become a radical insurgency-ideologically extreme, contemptuous of the inherited policy regime, scornful of compromise, unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence, and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of their political opposition."

The data backing this claim up are pretty solid. The most widely-used measure of political polarization, a*score of ideology based on voting*developed by Kenneth Poole and Howard Rosenthal, has shown that the Republicans in the Senate and especially the House have drifted away from the center far more rapidly than Democrats"

I think what remains to be fully realized is the Trump affect on those of us in the center. Will we stay center or will our resistance lead us to the far away left.

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