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The Myth of Climate Change

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You are reading page 2 of The Myth of Climate Change. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

I'm a California Girl. The debate over water has been going on here for a very long time.

This "drought" is man-made in my opinion due to water being siphoned off for fish and turned off for farmers. This has been a fight for years.

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/14/277011247/drought-politics-grip-californias-central-valley

The result is a farmer versus fish controversy that's been going on for years in the state. This year, that political fight has enticed Washington.

"How you can favor a fish over people, is something that people in my part of the world would never understand," said House Speaker John Boehner during a visit to California several weeks ago.

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Will we have the same retrospect when the Keystone XL pipeline leaks into the big aquifer in the midwest and poisons that water? Will we ask "how could we favor tar sands oil before fresh water" in the not too distant future?

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There are a couple of threads heating up . . .pop more popcorn!

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I admit that two issues have now been mixed, climate change and water.

They are intertwined in some scientific sense but shouldn't be in the context of this thread I suspect, particularly as related to Keystone XL.

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I admit that two issues have now been mixed, climate change and water.

They are intertwined in some scientific sense but shouldn't be in the context of this thread I suspect, particularly as related to Keystone XL.

The US is a huge exporter of dirty oil. This oil is not used in the US due to pollution and cost to refine. It is used in other countries and contributes a great deal to poor air quality, and greenhouse effect. Keystone XL is another example of this and repeated spills that contaminate earth with contaminants that are unknown and difficult, if not impossible to remove from our water supply. Add to this the water contamination from coal waste water, and we see another huge perpetrator of water issues tied in with climate change due to dirty air.

I am not sure you can discuss one without at least acknowledging the possible effects of all contributors. Tweety would also remind us of the gases produced with beef and other meat production. This kind of farming also gets into the water systems and the fertilizers contaminate watersheds. These are complex issues and problems that must be addressed if we are to leave a viable planet for our childrens children.

I do believe that water is such a significant issue that it needs its own thread to discuss these complex issues.https://allnurses-breakroom.com/us-politics/the-value-water-836010.html

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The majority of the petroleum product transported by the Keystone XL pipeline will not originate in the USA and is a different animal from the light crude that will come from US resources.

Quite right that these tar sands products are dangerous to life and environment in all phases of acquisition and use. Even the subsistence living natives in Alberta have health concerns which are presumably caused by their small scale use of these products. Canada's First Nation is wise in prohibiting the development of the pipeline through their land to the Pacific coast.

I believe our government is not so wise and will jeopardize our water supply over pursuit of the almighty dollar.

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Well, now ... this is interesting:

Apple chief Tim Cook is largely known for his mild-mannered nature. But he certainly offended some people at Apple's annual shareholder meeting Friday when he had no qualms about telling investors where they could stick their cash if they don't like the company's environmental policies...

At the Shareholders meeting, NCPPR called on Apple to take a pledge that it would not pursue environmental initiatives unless they helped increase profit. Cook did not hesitate. Even though some environmental policies can be good for the bottom line, "we do a lot of things for reasons besides profit motive," Cook said. "We want to leave the world better than we found it." And anyone who objects? "Get out of the stock."

The NCPPR was offended. And the news release that it issued after being shot down by Cook is a must-read. "Mr. Cook made it very clear to me that if I, or any other investor, was more concerned with return on investment than reducing carbon dioxide emissions, my investment is no longer welcome at Apple," said Justin Danhof of the NCPPR, who was apparently met "by boos and hisses from the Al gore [sic] contingency in the room" when he made his suggestions.

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Yes, there are still some innovative and profitable businesses in the USA which have ethics beyond those of profit and acquisition of wealth. Success is apparently not adequate, wild financial gain without concern for anything else is now the game. They shared in a $13 billion profit last quarter. https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/01/27Apple-Reports-First-Quarter-Results.html

Greed used to be frowned upon in this country. Now it is celebrated and mimicked. greed: a selfish desire to have more of something (especially money) than is needed (Merriam Webster)

Not only was Mr. Danhof's position greedy and completely without social ethic, it was obviously political as well, as evidenced by the polarizing comment about the "Al Gore contingent". There are Republicans, after all, who have concern about our environment. They are just not as vocal, loud, or obvious as the others in today's political world. The extreme right of the party does not deal well with dissent on what they consider to be litmus issues for conservatives and they are extremely well financed by the Koch brothers who have ZERO concern for water, air, and ground pollution particularly as related to the fossil fuel industry.

Many here in Alaska are offended by the efforts of those two wealthy and greedy men to shape OUR political discussion. Alaskans don't appreciate being manipulated by outsiders any more than Texans do. Perhaps less. We may be a Republican state but we are not Koch Republicans, nor are we Texpublicans or Dixiepublican. We are fiercely independent survivors who want our government to work for us, not for corporate profit. There is a reason that our state has no state income tax and requires that all citizens financially benefit from corporate use of our resources.

Alaska Permanent Fund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In Alaska the governor will not allow expansion of Medicaid which will cost the state and individuals who need coverage a huge cost in more than just dollars.

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In Alaska the governor will not allow expansion of Medicaid which will cost the state and individuals who need coverage a huge cost in more than just dollars.

True that Parnell refused to expand Medicaid. The state funded a study to examine the issue and when Parnell was not in agreement with the report he declined to publish the results. Most Alaskans don't favor that sort of politicking.

How is this related to the question of climate change though?

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True that Parnell refused to expand Medicaid. The state funded a study to examine the issue and when Parnell was not in agreement with the report he declined to publish the results. Most Alaskans don't favor that sort of politicking.

How is this related to the question of climate change though?

Sorry. Your comment about AK hit a nerve. Not related to climate change. We are seeing a great deal of change happening in the arctic that are related to changing climate.

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