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2 hours ago, nursej22 said:

And he has been shown to have poor judgement on releasing classified information, i.e. the infamous meeting in the oval office with 2 Kremlin officials, and more recently, with security measures built into fencing at the southern border. 

He has been shown to have poor judgement on a number of things.

North Korea.

Paying hush money to porn stars.

William Barr.

And I could go on. But for the sake of brevity, I won't.

 

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44 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

He has been shown to have poor judgement on a number of things.

North Korea.

Paying hush money to porn stars.

William Barr.

And I could go on. But for the sake of brevity, I won't.

 

I was speaking specifically to releasing classified information. 

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48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I was speaking specifically to releasing classified information. 

Understand.

But my comment was to a direct pattern of poor judgement, which then carries over to the blabbing of classified information.

It really is splitting hairs, isn't it to suggest his poor judgement began with blabbing classified information, or will end there.

It is a pattern of behavior, which lead to the title of this thread, and will ultimately lead to his removal from office, one way, or another.

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14 hours ago, Kyrshamarks said:

People are saying he released "classified: information, the thing is though he has the power to do that at will.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

 

I think Kyrsha is referring to the WH moving the records of the call to a classified server, there was no justification for classifying the records.  The purpose of moving the records of the call, per reports that have so far been reliable, was to cover up the evidence.  

It is true that the President has the ability to classify or declassify information, but that power doesn't also give him the right to use that power to cover up corruption, that's the definition of an 'abuse of power'.  

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5 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I think Kyrsha is referring to the WH moving the records of the call to a classified server, there was no justification for classifying the records.  The purpose of moving the records of the call, per reports that have so far been reliable, was to cover up the evidence.  

It is true that the President has the ability to classify or declassify information, but that power doesn't also give him the right to use that power to cover up corruption, that's the definition of an 'abuse of power'.  

Oh yeah, I think you’re right about the president moving the records to a secure server. I’m really not sure that was his idea, or his staff trying to hide something. I’m waiting for someone to say “if the president does it, it’s not abuse of power”. 

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Trump lawyer Giuliani subpoenaed by U.S. House Democrats

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three U.S. House of Representatives committees said on Monday that a subpoena had been sent to President Donald Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani, seeking documents in their impeachment inquiry.

The House Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight committees said Giuliani had said on national television that he asked the government of Ukraine to "target" former Vice President Joe Biden...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-congress/trump-lawyer-giuliani-subpoenaed-by-u-s-house-democrats-idUSKBN1WF24H?il=0

I wonder if the subpoena includes his phone. ( Rudy Giuliani said, “It’s all here. Right here.” As he held up his phone) (At 16 seconds)

 

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U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo took part in Trump-Zelenskiy phone call

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was among administration officials who listened in on the July 25 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a senior State Department official said Monday, a disclosure that ties the State Department more closely to the House impeachment inquiry....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mcconnell-envisions-senate-trial-if-house-passes-articles-of-impeachment-11569865002

 

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Staunch Trump ally Sen. Chuck Grassley pushes back against calls to out whistleblower

U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, a long-time defender of whistleblowers and a staunch ally of President Donald Trump, pushed back Tuesday against the president's call to identify the person who filed a complaint about his July phone call with the Ukrainian president. 

"This person appears to have followed the whistleblower protection laws and ought to be heard out and protected. We should always work to respect whistleblowers’ requests for confidentiality," the senior senator from Iowa said in a news release...

https://news.yahoo.com/staunch-trump-ally-sen-chuck-194339384.html

 

 

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2 hours ago, herring_RN said:

Staunch Trump ally Sen. Chuck Grassley pushes back against calls to out whistleblower

U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, a long-time defender of whistleblowers and a staunch ally of President Donald Trump, pushed back Tuesday against the president's call to identify the person who filed a complaint about his July phone call with the Ukrainian president. 

"This person appears to have followed the whistleblower protection laws and ought to be heard out and protected. We should always work to respect whistleblowers’ requests for confidentiality," the senior senator from Iowa said in a news release...

https://news.yahoo.com/staunch-trump-ally-sen-chuck-194339384.html

 

 

Funny how much the media cover this "story" on Grassley, but pretty much ignore this:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/30/ron-johnson-chuck-grassley-hillary-clinton-ukraine-letter-1518995

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Regardless of who sent letters about other possible crimes the members of the administration must obey the laws regarding impeachment inquiry and the Whistle-blower Protection Act

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MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION Declassified by order of the President' September 24, 2019

...   President Zelensky: It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest· partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than.the European Union and- I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a· lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russia,n Federation. I would also like to thank you·for.your great support in the area of defense. . We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we a·re almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United· States for defense purposes...

The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they s_ay Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your weal thy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There- are a lot. of things that went on, the· :whole situation .. I think you 1 re _surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I . would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to ·get to the bottom of it. As you said yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueler, an incompetent performance-, but they. say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that· you do it if that's possible.

President Zelenskyy: Yes it is. very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President,-· it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to· open a new page on cooperation in . relations between the United· States and Ukraine....

The President [Trump]: Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very·good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the_ mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could _speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to_let you know that.

The other thing, There's a lot of. talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me....

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6429015/Trump-Ukraine-Transcript.pdf 

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For the first time I am afraid the President of the United States is not working for the people of our country.

 

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