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You are reading page 4 of The Caravan. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

Good grief. An entire thread devoted to the fake "threat" du jour.

Do you remember how Trump was banging on about the April 2018 caravan?? Tweeting up a storm about how Congress MUST ACT NOW! and NEED WALL! because of the grave peril y'all were in :sarcastic:

Trump's Fearmongering about Migrant Caravan | Human Rights Watch

Trump says '''caravans''' of immigrants are headed for the U.S. What'''s he talking about?

Trump Transforms Immigrant Caravans in Mexico Into Cause Celebre - The New York Times

So what became of that scary threatening situation?

Central American migrant caravans - Wikipedia

It appears eleven individuals were charged with crossing the border illegally after the "caravan" of April this year, arrived at your border. Yeah, that was sure warranted a series of fear-mongering tweets full of CAPS and exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sarcastic: :dead:

Not that I have any reason to believe it will, but let's say that the number were for example to quadruple, I'm convinced that the regular border agents are more than capable of handling that. Sending 5,000+ military is hardly necessary.

And calling this an invasion is both ridiculous and a blatant dog whistle.

(my bold)

Did you/your source really quote this accurately? To me the sentence I bolded is about as clear and logical as most of Trump's disjointed blatherings.

Of course it will be much more than necessary. Do you seriously think that there's evidence that shows that these migrants and refugees are armed with the kind of weapons that would make it necessary to deploy the military at your border to defend it?

This is so ridiculous. I don't know why anyone is willing to entertain this latest foolishness, A.K.A. DISTRACTION.

The risk of a s***show at the border of a magnitude that requires 5,000 troops and weaponry being caused by this "caravan" is astronomically LESS than nonexistent.

This isn't about protecting the border.

I think it's about motivating the Trump base.

Two things on this planet excite them.

Hillary's emails and various iterations of the build the wall theme.

And it's because there's somewhere else they DON't want you all to look and focus on.

Trying to scare people with an external threat is a tactic we have seen many examples of in history. None of them were done by good, democratic leaders.

Best case scenario. This could merely another one of the HABITUAL deflections and distractions we've grown accustomed to seeing.

Worst case scenario. Deploying military in anticipation of the arrival of migrants and possible asylum seekers, could be the harbinger of something truly vile.

I assume it means that in terms of return on investment, your time and energy would be better spent on worrying about and addressing the very real internal threat against life and the pursuit of happiness that you as a people face, rather than the made up external one.

Oh trust me, we're all very much aware.

But, but, but... I'm actually kind of amused by it.

I was even hoping we'd get into the ridiculousness of smallpox and leprosy, but I guess that as a nurse OP realized that one was a non-starter.

Im going to end this post the same way I started it.

Good grief.

:lol2:

Seriously, macawake, do any of these rants surprise you?

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I was waiting for dude to sound the nursing alarm about the communicable diseases that the invading army is (reportedly) bringing to the border. I continue to wonder why that specific fear drumming is being ignored. Is it too obviously a conspiracy theory upon which to waste time? Or do conservatives not want to talk about using military force against sick people seeking asylum?

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Seriously, macawake, do any of these rants surprise you?

Nope :)

The good griefs are for dramatic effect :laugh:

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Are you being deliberately dense? Or are you just trying desperately to convince yourself that if 50% are women and girls then the rest must all be full grown fighting men - with no male children at all?

I did not say the military were "being sent to wage battle," I said and I quote, "For a start you don't send the military to fight unarmed civilians most of whom are women and children."

The British army tried to have a peacekeeping role in Northern Ireland in the last part of the 20th century - ended up with a lot of dead people on both sides.

Seriously Dude I have tried to have a conversation with you but you keep trying to bog everything down in minutiae because in one post I said mainly when I stated later I should have said largely. Also I have told you BBC

Unless you change your tack I am going to have to get out of this because I can only say the same things so many times.

Definition of insanity - saying the same things over and over expecting different results.

I guess I'm dense... where are you getting your 50% from?

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I guess I'm dense... where are you getting your 50% from?

I see now...in Elkparks post. I skimmed over her post. I didn't realize Grumpy relied on Vox as source.

Interestingly, a LA Times article from about the same time as the Vox story says the caravan was about 7000, and included hundreds of women and children.

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This article from Reuters reports that the actual number of people in the caravan is unknown, some have already returned to their home, some have accepted asylum in Mexico.

Central American caravan moves on in spite of Mexico jobs offer | Reuters

But the president is ordering thousands of troops to do who knows what, to the southern border, for people who may arrive in a month or more. Not only will the president not visit troops in combat zones as past presidents have, but he is going to assure more families will be away for Thanksgiving and possible December holidays.

Nice work.

It's not a combat zone, and how do you know he won't visit?

I believe those in acutive duty realize they will not be home for holidays often. It's part if the gig.

I do remember when hundreds of secret service agents, WH personnel, reporters, etc. had to leave their homes over the holidays to travel to Hawaii with the Obama's every year.

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Pedantic and trivial arguments are the best that is available to support this hysteria over a band of brown people fleeing their violent homelands.

Isn't it interesting that the people advocating for 5000+ military to the border don't have to provide evidence that the caravan is populated by an invasion force? They just accept that call to fear.

So, you disagree with General O'Shaughnessy's assessment of the caravan?

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5200 military to the border, many of them armed

7000 more on standby.

It should give every patriot a dry mouthed moment of pause that an emotionally and intellectually unfit authoritarian is gathering the military, just before an important election, under a false narrative, while fanning flames of division, fear and hate.

Remember that Trump has warned us of violence in the streets following this election.

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5200 military to the border, many of them armed

7000 more on standby.

It should give every patriot a dry mouthed moment of pause that an emotionally and intellectually unfit authoritarian is gathering the military, just before an important election, under a false narrative, while fanning flames of division, fear and hate.

Remember that Trump has warned us of violence in the streets following this election.

Not to mention the cost.

You know how those conservatives hate to part with money. You would think they would object to the use of the military in this way on fiscal grounds.

I am having fun with this because it is so ludicrous, and such an obvious ploy.

Imagine, an invading army of mothers, fathers and grandparents armed with babies!

LOL!

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From MilitaryTimes:Why doesn’t Trump visit troops fighting overseas?

"I will do that at some point, but I don't think it's overly necessary," Trump said. "I've been very busy with everything that's taking place here ... I'm doing a lot of things. But it's something I'd do. And do gladly."

The president himself has said he is very busy (executive time?). He did have time to fly to North Korea for what was essentially a photo op.

Golly, I've been to Hawaii at Christmas, it's pretty swell. I've not been to the southern border, but the photos make it look pretty grim. I read an article in the Wall Street Journal (not linking because of the pay wall) that estimates they will be deployed until Mid December.

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So, you disagree with General O'Shaughnessy's assessment of the caravan?

He's following orders to harden the border and telling us what he's doing. I watched Fox News (side by side the most disturbing videos of the immigrants they can find) and he really didn't seem to "give an assessment of the caravan". He said what he was doing, and basically that's following orders to secure the border and keep people from entering illegally.

He made no mention of them being a danger, a national emergency, or an "invasion" but maybe I didn't watch long enough. There's only so much of Fox News I can take.

I will say this makes all those looking for "secure borders" very good a week before the election and those whom are falsely accused of wanting "open borders" bad.

Good job Trump.

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Now he's telling reporters he may send 15,000 troops. That would surpass the number of troops in Afghanistan. Yup, more troops to defend against migrants who are plan to walk across a dessert, than to defend an actual war zone.

He's " like really smart. A very stable genius."

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