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You are reading page 26 of The Caravan. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

"The Immigration and Nationality Act mandates medical screening exams for legal immigrants and refugees from around the world. The tests are performed by authorized physicians in either the applicants' countries of origin or in the United States. The process includes "a physical examination, mental health evaluation, syphilis serologic testing . . . and chest radiography followed by acid-fast bacillus smears and sputum cultures if the chest radiograph is consistent with tuberculosis (TB)."

Legal immigrants and refugees must provide mandatory proof of vaccination for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, hepatitis A and B, rotavirus, meningococcus, chicken pox, pneumonia, and seasonal flu.

Moreover, "most experts agree that testing for TB, hepatitis B, and HIV should be performed for most new arrivals to the United States," the Centers for Disease Control (not Fox News or the Trump White House or any other evil conservatives) reports. "Clinicians should also make a habit of ensuring that this screening has been done for every new non-US-born patient they see, regardless of time since the person's arrival."

Actual public-health experts across the Southwest have noted rises in drug-resistant TB and dengue fever. In June, Australian public-health researchers reported that "scabies, long considered a disease of the past in the developed world, is making its way back." The scientists pointed to mass global migration as a leading factor, noting scabies outbreaks among refugees to the European Union and along America's southern border.

And in Germany, federal epidemiologists reported that since opening the floodgates to migrants in 2015, data show "increased incidences in Germany of adenoviral conjunctivitis, botulism, chicken pox, cholera, cryptosporidiosis, dengue fever, echinococcosis, enterohemorrhagic E. coli, giardiasis, haemophilus influenza, Hantavirus, hepatitis, hemorrhagic fever, HIV/AIDS, leprosy, louse-borne relapsing fever, malaria, measles, meningococcal disease, meningoencephalitis, mumps, paratyphoid, rubella, shigellosis, syphilis, toxoplasmosis, trichinellosis, tuberculosis, tularemia, typhus and whooping cough.""

Migrant Caravan & U.S. Public Health -- Disease Concerns Are Real | National Review

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"The Immigration and Nationality Act mandates medical screening exams for legal immigrants and refugees from around the world. The tests are performed by authorized physicians in either the applicants' countries of origin or in the United States. The process includes "a physical examination, mental health evaluation, syphilis serologic testing . . . and chest radiography followed by acid-fast bacillus smears and sputum cultures if the chest radiograph is consistent with tuberculosis (TB)."

Legal immigrants and refugees must provide mandatory proof of vaccination for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, hepatitis A and B, rotavirus, meningococcus, chicken pox, pneumonia, and seasonal flu.

Moreover, "most experts agree that testing for TB, hepatitis B, and HIV should be performed for most new arrivals to the United States," the Centers for Disease Control (not Fox News or the Trump White House or any other evil conservatives) reports. "Clinicians should also make a habit of ensuring that this screening has been done for every new non-US-born patient they see, regardless of time since the person's arrival."

Actual public-health experts across the Southwest have noted rises in drug-resistant TB and dengue fever. In June, Australian public-health researchers reported that "scabies, long considered a disease of the past in the developed world, is making its way back." The scientists pointed to mass global migration as a leading factor, noting scabies outbreaks among refugees to the European Union and along America's southern border.

And in Germany, federal epidemiologists reported that since opening the floodgates to migrants in 2015, data show "increased incidences in Germany of adenoviral conjunctivitis, botulism, chicken pox, cholera, cryptosporidiosis, dengue fever, echinococcosis, enterohemorrhagic E. coli, giardiasis, haemophilus influenza, Hantavirus, hepatitis, hemorrhagic fever, HIV/AIDS, leprosy, louse-borne relapsing fever, malaria, measles, meningococcal disease, meningoencephalitis, mumps, paratyphoid, rubella, shigellosis, syphilis, toxoplasmosis, trichinellosis, tuberculosis, tularemia, typhus and whooping cough.""

Migrant Caravan & U.S. Public Health -- Disease Concerns Are Real | National Review

Forgive me if I don't press the panic button after reading your articles from Faux News and a known very conservative source. I'm far more concerned about the decline of vaccinations in the American population and the increasing outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases among our "citizens". I think these articles are fear-mongering and serve to incite those who already have a bias against immigrants.

FWIW-scabies is not a disease of the past in the developed world. I see it all the time, even in white Americans, and have been seeing it for years. That actually made me laugh.

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"The Immigration and Nationality Act mandates medical screening exams for legal immigrants and refugees from around the world. The tests are performed by authorized physicians in either the applicants' countries of origin or in the United States. The process includes "a physical examination, mental health evaluation, syphilis serologic testing . . . and chest radiography followed by acid-fast bacillus smears and sputum cultures if the chest radiograph is consistent with tuberculosis (TB)."

Legal immigrants and refugees must provide mandatory proof of vaccination for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, hepatitis A and B, rotavirus, meningococcus, chicken pox, pneumonia, and seasonal flu.

Moreover, "most experts agree that testing for TB, hepatitis B, and HIV should be performed for most new arrivals to the United States," the Centers for Disease Control (not Fox News or the Trump White House or any other evil conservatives) reports. "Clinicians should also make a habit of ensuring that this screening has been done for every new non-US-born patient they see, regardless of time since the person's arrival."

Actual public-health experts across the Southwest have noted rises in drug-resistant TB and dengue fever. In June, Australian public-health researchers reported that "scabies, long considered a disease of the past in the developed world, is making its way back." The scientists pointed to mass global migration as a leading factor, noting scabies outbreaks among refugees to the European Union and along America's southern border.

And in Germany, federal epidemiologists reported that since opening the floodgates to migrants in 2015, data show "increased incidences in Germany of adenoviral conjunctivitis, botulism, chicken pox, cholera, cryptosporidiosis, dengue fever, echinococcosis, enterohemorrhagic E. coli, giardiasis, haemophilus influenza, Hantavirus, hepatitis, hemorrhagic fever, HIV/AIDS, leprosy, louse-borne relapsing fever, malaria, measles, meningococcal disease, meningoencephalitis, mumps, paratyphoid, rubella, shigellosis, syphilis, toxoplasmosis, trichinellosis, tuberculosis, tularemia, typhus and whooping cough.""

Migrant Caravan & U.S. Public Health -- Disease Concerns Are Real | National Review

The disease concerns are real but no different from the concerns we have had all along in our own, home-grown populations of poor and marginalized people. I have been in practice for 45+ years and have seen almost every single disorder on that list ... and they weren't rare, either! I suspect that if you controlled for socio-economic status and living conditions (slums, homeless) the incidence of these diseases won't be that much different in native vs immigrant populations.

Given the ecological, political and climactic destruction underlying our national standard of living, it all has the feeling of chickens coming home to roost.

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Ann Coulter is suggesting that Trump should invade Mexico. I can't cut and paste on my phone, but search "Coulter invade Mexico" ... plenty of citations available.

Nothing like a good war to take our minds off our troubles!

The film Wag the Dog is an excellent fictional example of what probably happens quite often with administrations wanting to deflect attention from their doings.

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"The Immigration and Nationality Act mandates medical screening exams for legal immigrants and refugees from around the world. The tests are performed by authorized physicians in either the applicants' countries of origin or in the United States. The process includes "a physical examination, mental health evaluation, syphilis serologic testing . . . and chest radiography followed by acid-fast bacillus smears and sputum cultures if the chest radiograph is consistent with tuberculosis (TB)."

Legal immigrants and refugees must provide mandatory proof of vaccination for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, hepatitis A and B, rotavirus, meningococcus, chicken pox, pneumonia, and seasonal flu.

Moreover, "most experts agree that testing for TB, hepatitis B, and HIV should be performed for most new arrivals to the United States," the Centers for Disease Control (not Fox News or the Trump White House or any other evil conservatives) reports. "Clinicians should also make a habit of ensuring that this screening has been done for every new non-US-born patient they see, regardless of time since the person's arrival."

Actual public-health experts across the Southwest have noted rises in drug-resistant TB and dengue fever. In June, Australian public-health researchers reported that "scabies, long considered a disease of the past in the developed world, is making its way back." The scientists pointed to mass global migration as a leading factor, noting scabies outbreaks among refugees to the European Union and along America's southern border.

And in Germany, federal epidemiologists reported that since opening the floodgates to migrants in 2015, data show "increased incidences in Germany of adenoviral conjunctivitis, botulism, chicken pox, cholera, cryptosporidiosis, dengue fever, echinococcosis, enterohemorrhagic E. coli, giardiasis, haemophilus influenza, Hantavirus, hepatitis, hemorrhagic fever, HIV/AIDS, leprosy, louse-borne relapsing fever, malaria, measles, meningococcal disease, meningoencephalitis, mumps, paratyphoid, rubella, shigellosis, syphilis, toxoplasmosis, trichinellosis, tuberculosis, tularemia, typhus and whooping cough.""

Migrant Caravan & U.S. Public Health -- Disease Concerns Are Real | National Review

Since you simply copy-pasted the better part of an article (why didn't you include that last paragraph, I found it quite informative....) from a conservative magazine and didn't add a single comment of your own, I take it that you're not interested in sharing your own personal "nurse opinions" on this matter?

Are non-medical magazines with a political, ahem..., inclination where you normally go to find medical and epidemiological data?

That article that you copy-pasted mentions something that epidemiologists in Germany have supposedly reported, yet there is no link provided to the actual report. Why is that? Perhaps since you deemed this article important enough to share with us, you could find that epidemiological report? I tried and was unsuccessful.

I found it quite humorous that tularemia is mentioned in that long list of scary-sounding diseases. You know how that one got its name, right? (Not from Tulare, El Salvador...)

It a pretty rare disease, but it seems that the disease occurs between the 30th and 71st parallel north, so those poor Guatemalans and Hondurans are more likely to catch it if they come to the U.S., Germany or Sweden, than if they stay at home.

Tularemia - Wikipedia

Regarding migrant health in the European region...

WHO/Europe | Page not found

(For some reason it says "page not found", but the link appears to work, at least for me).

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These lists of diseases must seem scary to a lay person, but almost humorous to health care professionals. Many of these are vaccine preventable, some are endemic , and some just don't live on our climate. Although if

we don't get a handle on climate change, insect and mite borne diseases may become a concern. Hemorrhagic E. Coil already is, perhaps due to cuts in DJT's vaunted regulation cuts

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Obviously there should be a concern about diseases being brought into the country. It also seems obvious that with such precise statistics on these particular people the process we have in place is working? Or are we just collecting stats and still opening the flood gates and letting them just walk in?

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I'm sure you can go on and go tit for tat about how the left thinking is a bit skewed.

Problem is that everytime there is something that is in the news about Trump that is absolutely true "it's fake news and liberal bias" and people just don't believe it.

Many of us have over and over stated that the tax cuts will benefit us personally but still have a huge problem with them such as the huge benefits the rich get and the lack of revenue for the deficit. Some of us aren't that selfish to say so what if it's not a good idea, I still have money in my pocket. But yes, i'm selfish enough to take mine, enjoy it, but with objection that does not make me a hypocrite or lack any semblance of critical thinking. I'd rather see lower deficits, better health care for all, and environmental policies not rolled back to benefit big business.

It certainly isn't fair to say "Trump voters and supporters lack critical thinking" or that "to support such a man means you are misogynic, homophobic and racist just like he is".

But I do have to agree that some of them, note I'm saying some of them lack critical thinking. A minor example would be the other day I heard "finally now that Trump is President we can say "Merry Christmas" again". Something I heard last year as well. I ignored it. But seriously, that person didn't have the critical thinking to stop and think that prior to Turmp people had the freedom of speech to say Merry Christmas. I've been saying it all my life. There are many tweets from President Obama saying "Merry Christmas".

Or I've heard "I can't get into college because illegal immigrants are getting free college education and I can't. Trump will change all of that".

I seriously believe I'm witnesses the dumbing down of America and Trump is the leader.

To be fair when I hear from people that "these are our darkest days", "this is how the Nazi's nearly destroyed the world", and other rhetoric from the left I roll my eyes a bit. I talked to a co-worker the other day who had no idea where the phrase "Make America Great" came from.

On these boards, it is not our job to find and point out good things Trump is doing. These are not those times. We will point out all the bad and let the other side point out the good and we'll "discuss it". Kind of like people that said "I don't like Obamacare and we must get rid of it". When pointed out benefits they might be getting they liked that part but never mentioned it. But criticizing the left for not being positive about Trump is a bit lame, even if we can't admit or say one little tiny good thing that's going on. Although I have seen that happen here, you might have missed it because it's so very few and far between. LOL

Of course, there are irrational people on both sides. And, I'm not saying you should look for ways to praise Trump.

My post was more about those here who constantly generalize Trump voters as unobjective, "cult-like", gullible, lack critical-thinking, etc. Occasionally, some say that about me directly.

Yet, at the same time, some of those same people here display those same charactoristics. Let's use the tax cuts as an example. Although I disagree, your opinion is legit, as it is informed. Yet, others criticize it without having a clue how it works. Nel originally criticized it as she said it amounted to $16 a pay period. After some back and forth, she had to admit it was quite a bit more then that, and the basis of her argument changed. Elkpark recently displayed her lack of knowledge in how the new deductions work, eventually posting a headline from a far-left article because the headline sounded good. And, when I said when I had the time I would point out all that was wrong with that article, she wasn't interested in "GOP talking points". (As a side note, if you think I'm a big GOP supporter, you haven't been paying attention).

We all agree, for the most part, on the problems that need to be solved. Our differences are in how we think the best way is to go about fixing them. Maybe we all should try harder to not call the other side names, and stick to the issues.

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The tax plan is a scam.

It was marketed to the voters as a revision that had the middle and working class tax payers as the primary focus. That was a lie. Roughly 85% of that focus is aimed directly at the wealthiest citizens and corporations. Most of their tax benefit was hoarded and is permanent. The working class tax benefit was so much the focus of the plan that it is temporary.

Now our Republicans in congress are terribly concerned about the deficit that they deepened and want to, again focus on the working class to solve that problem. The difference is that this focus won't be temporary and it won't fill the hole they are digging.

We all should be familiar with the characteristics of a cult. Trump is currently the leader of a cult, as well as being POTUS. The Trump phenomenon has all of the key elements covered; authoritarian leader, a process for indoctrination and information control, and exploitation of the group for the benefit of the leader and a few chosen others (like the tax plan and the gutting of the social safety net).

This thread is evidence of the US V THEM tactic and fear mongering. The emotion, rhetoric, and fear is disproportionate to any actual threat because it is that fear which is instrumental in manipulating the audience.

Cult leaders are always unaccountable within the group. Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his devotees would cheer it or at minimum explain it away. They don't care about nepotism or violations of our laws. They do love to gather together and chant and participate in ritual behaviors.

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The tax plan is a scam.

It was marketed to the voters as a revision that had the middle and working class tax payers as the primary focus. That was a lie. Roughly 85% of that focus is aimed directly at the wealthiest citizens and corporations. Most of their tax benefit was hoarded and is permanent. The working class tax benefit was so much the focus of the plan that it is temporary.

Now our Republicans in congress are terribly concerned about the deficit that they deepened and want to, again focus on the working class to solve that problem. The difference is that this focus won't be temporary and it won't fill the hole they are digging.

We all should be familiar with the characteristics of a cult. Trump is currently the leader of a cult, as well as being POTUS. The Trump phenomenon has all of the key elements covered; authoritarian leader, a process for indoctrination and information control, and exploitation of the group for the benefit of the leader and a few chosen others (like the tax plan and the gutting of the social safety net).

This thread is evidence of the US V THEM tactic and fear mongering. The emotion, rhetoric, and fear is disproportionate to any actual threat because it is that fear which is instrumental in manipulating the audience.

Cult leaders are always unaccountable within the group. Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his devotees would cheer it or at minimum explain it away. They don't care about nepotism or violations of our laws. They do love to gather together and chant and participate in ritual behaviors.

Back at you.

The Obama cult - Lexington

Now, can we move on? Or, maybe you can start your own thread on this topic.

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Back at you.

The Obama cult - Lexington

Now, can we move on? Or, maybe you can start your own thread on this topic.

Nope.

This thread is a really good place to discuss the realities and dangers of having a cult leader setting national policy because "the caravan" is a tool used by the cult leader to stir the Us v Them sentiments and fears of his cult.

Funny thing about deflecting to Obama in this discussion, you haven't actually demonstrated how support for Obama was cult like. Neither did the article. It's unsurprising opinion but has no factual or even observational foundation. Perhaps, if you truly believe that there was/is an Obama cult, you could outline how that Obama cult reflects the classical signs of a cult.

Instead we can continue to attempt to interject critical thinking, historical context, and calm common sense into the indoctrinated thinking that would cause one to believe Trump's fear mongering about these poor people.

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