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You are reading page 25 of The Caravan. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

Mostly we are talking about it because Trump supporters want to talk about it. They are convinced, by Trump's rhetoric, that the unfortunate people in that caravan are invaders, an infestation, a threat to our national security, and are possibly carrying all manner of communicable diseases.

It is our social responsibility to try to calm them with facts, historical experience, and the risk assessment of our military. We get to observe their choices when confronted with facts and common sense.

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It is very much related. President Trump has made his stance perfectly clear by recent actions taken on families seeking asylum. His reason for taking such action is for "protection". Yet our President takes minimum to no action, and fails to make any coherent strategy, and formulate reasonable and obtainable policies that deal with the domestic terrorism that actually exists within our own country. (Failure to see this is amazing.) Tear-gassing families and children from other countries is NOT the answer. It is not "Christian-like". It is not who we should be as a nation. In the meanwhile, I wonder how many more innocents will die as President Trump and his administration FAIL to protect the citizenry of the United States from its own domestic terrorists.

The Trump administration has been in office less then two years. The "domestic terrorism" has been a problem that other administrations and congress has failed at properly addressing for quite sometime.

So, let's dial back the "Trump is failing to protect the citizenry" rhetoric.

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Trump is a verifiable liar. Because of this, at least for me, Trump has lost all creditability. It seems that ardent supporters of Trump act like cult members. Objective and critical thinking are gone. The lies by Trump go either unseen (as if being blinded by "Trump Ideology") or are painstakingly rationalized to achieve "greater goals", which are way-too-often found to be questionable and unrealistic. How can ANYONE agree with the tactics used by Trump and his Administration, and agree with the rationalization to use such tactics, and still claim to maintain any degree of objectivity and critical thinking?? I've been thinking about the "Trump Phenomenon" a lot lately. With all that has taken place since Trump has been President of the United States, which includes all of his lies that are easily exposed, as well as including the "policies" that he proposes and implements, it is fair to describe "The Trump Phenomenon" as cult-like in nature. At least to my eyes, this is a very dark and dangerous time in our country's current history.

Yeah, we've heard it all before. Anyone who voted for Trump lacks critical thinking abilities, has fallen into a "cult", and is not objective, etc.

How about those who can't acknowledge even one thing that is going well during this administration? Or criticizes tax cuts without actually knowing how it effects themselves? Fails to see that there is even a possibility that much of the media is biased?

I could go on, and match your examples of critical thinking deficits and the like, but that seems like a waste of time and not very constructive, imho.

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I am not going to look for ways to praise a crazy dictator wannabe who is exacting damaging policy in our country.

As a man,Trump is a consummate liar.

Trump is a cheat.

Trump is a moral reprobate.

I will not look for ways to normalize his corrupt and criminal treatment of our presidency or our Constitution.

My largest hope is that we do manage to hold Trump accountable. That we can save our republic. And that millions of Americans will realize that they were bamboozled. I fear, however, that they will continue to deny and ignore the evidence and truth about Trump.

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"+60% have respiratory infections

3 confirmed cases of TB

4 confirmed cases of HIV/AIDS

101 confirmed cases of lice

4 confirmed cases of chicken pox

many skin infections"

Migrants in caravan plagued with serious health issues | On Air Videos | Fox News

Ahh, yes ... the venerable "diseased foreigners" meme so beloved of the old 19th century know-nothing nativists. More conservative reverence for tradition, I guess.

The list ought to provide a hint as to the living conditions the migrants are striving to escape.

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"+60% have respiratory infections

3 confirmed cases of TB

4 confirmed cases of HIV/AIDS

101 confirmed cases of lice

4 confirmed cases of chicken pox

many skin infections"

Migrants in caravan plagued with serious health issues | On Air Videos | Fox News

What, no leprosy or smallpox :rolleyes:

What's your point, nurse Mulan? I assume you have one since you posted a link and a quote here? I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Did you make this post because your heart goes out to human beings living under such squalid conditions?

That list is exactly what can be expected when several thousand poor people have been travelling by foot for a couple of months and living rough in cramped "tent cities".

You already have all the conditions listed in your domestic population. As nurses we know there's nothing unexpected with this list, but to the public who lack medical knowledge I guess it sounds pretty frightening. It's almost as if the goal is to make migrants sound like a dangerous threat which needs to be kept out at all costs :sarcastic:

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It's the caravan a bunch of diseased and sick people or is it a violent invasion? The fear mongering seems a bit muddled and confused.

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It's the caravan a bunch of diseased and sick people or is it a violent invasion? The fear mongering seems a bit muddled and confused.

That's because the whole argument is the rhetorical equivalent of a spinal reflex (aka knee-jerk). Of interest is the fact that the same memes were used against Chinese, Irish, Italian and Eastern European immigrants at various times. It crops up whenever the group attempting to follow the original European invaders speak the wrong language, practice the wrong religion or have the wrong skin color. The tradition goes all the way back to the Massachusetts Bay Colony, founded as a religiously exclusive theocracy.

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"+60% have respiratory infections

3 confirmed cases of TB

4 confirmed cases of HIV/AIDS

101 confirmed cases of lice

4 confirmed cases of chicken pox

many skin infections"

Migrants in caravan plagued with serious health issues | On Air Videos | Fox News

That sounds like a regular work day to me, not an invasion of "diseased criminals". Perhaps my American patients should be rounded up and quarantined, and sent back from whence they came.

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Yeah, we've heard it all before. Anyone who voted for Trump lacks critical thinking abilities, has fallen into a "cult", and is not objective, etc.

How about those who can't acknowledge even one thing that is going well during this administration? Or criticizes tax cuts without actually knowing how it effects themselves? Fails to see that there is even a possibility that much of the media is biased?

I could go on, and match your examples of critical thinking deficits and the like, but that seems like a waste of time and not very constructive, imho.

I'm sure you can go on and go tit for tat about how the left thinking is a bit skewed.

Problem is that everytime there is something that is in the news about Trump that is absolutely true "it's fake news and liberal bias" and people just don't believe it.

Many of us have over and over stated that the tax cuts will benefit us personally but still have a huge problem with them such as the huge benefits the rich get and the lack of revenue for the deficit. Some of us aren't that selfish to say so what if it's not a good idea, I still have money in my pocket. But yes, i'm selfish enough to take mine, enjoy it, but with objection that does not make me a hypocrite or lack any semblance of critical thinking. I'd rather see lower deficits, better health care for all, and environmental policies not rolled back to benefit big business.

It certainly isn't fair to say "Trump voters and supporters lack critical thinking" or that "to support such a man means you are misogynic, homophobic and racist just like he is".

But I do have to agree that some of them, note I'm saying some of them lack critical thinking. A minor example would be the other day I heard "finally now that Trump is President we can say "Merry Christmas" again". Something I heard last year as well. I ignored it. But seriously, that person didn't have the critical thinking to stop and think that prior to Turmp people had the freedom of speech to say Merry Christmas. I've been saying it all my life. There are many tweets from President Obama saying "Merry Christmas".

Or I've heard "I can't get into college because illegal immigrants are getting free college education and I can't. Trump will change all of that".

I seriously believe I'm witnesses the dumbing down of America and Trump is the leader.

To be fair when I hear from people that "these are our darkest days", "this is how the Nazi's nearly destroyed the world", and other rhetoric from the left I roll my eyes a bit. I talked to a co-worker the other day who had no idea where the phrase "Make America Great" came from.

On these boards, it is not our job to find and point out good things Trump is doing. These are not those times. We will point out all the bad and let the other side point out the good and we'll "discuss it". Kind of like people that said "I don't like Obamacare and we must get rid of it". When pointed out benefits they might be getting they liked that part but never mentioned it. But criticizing the left for not being positive about Trump is a bit lame, even if we can't admit or say one little tiny good thing that's going on. Although I have seen that happen here, you might have missed it because it's so very few and far between. LOL

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