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You are reading page 18 of The Caravan. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

The difference is that it's legal to send troops to Afghanistan, it's illegal to use the military to enforce US law within (or at) US borders. If Trump wants to change that then he's free to pursue changing the law.

This is why many have pointed out that sending troops to the US/Mexico border serves little to no purpose and just costs a lot of money, not to mention lost time at home for these troops.

Wow so if we were say, actually invaded by Germany back in WW2 on the homeland it would have been illegal to send troops to protect our border??? I'm not against learning something. Would you mind adding some info or a link?

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So I found this on militarytimes.com. It says "The more than 5200 troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil. That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing."

They are limited on what they can do but sending them isn't illegal from what I can find. I could be wrong.

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Wow so if we were say, actually invaded by Germany back in WW2 on the homeland it would have been illegal to send troops to protect our border??? I'm not against learning something. Would you mind adding some info or a link?

We were at war with Germany, so no, that wouldn't have been illegal.

Any actions against illegal border crosses are instances of enforcing US law, which the military is legally prohibited from taking part in. Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia

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So I found this on militarytimes.com. It says "The more than 5200 troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil. That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing."

They are limited on what they can do but sending them isn't illegal from what I can find. I could be wrong.

It's not illegal to send them there to do nothing, just pointless (and expensive and disrespectful to the troops time that could have been spent with family today).

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It's not illegal to send them there to do nothing, just pointless (and expensive and disrespectful to the troops time that could have been spent with family today).

The militarytimes also states, "Instead, their role will largely mirror that of the existing National Guard troops - about 2,000 in all - deployed to the border over the past six months, including providing helicopter support for border missions, installing concrete barriers and repairing and maintaining vehicles. The new troops will include military police, combat engineers and helicopter companies equipped with advanced technology to help detect people at night." Not useless.

Yes it would be great if they could have spent Thanksgiving at home. Too bad that caravan of thousands of migrants didn't stop and think of that!

These servicemen didn't get drafted for heavens sakes. They signed up for this!! Just like we did. I'm at work right now. In ED triage. (No patients coming in thankfully.)

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The militarytimes also states, "Instead, their role will largely mirror that of the existing National Guard troops - about 2,000 in all - deployed to the border over the past six months, including providing helicopter support for border missions, installing concrete barriers and repairing and maintaining vehicles. The new troops will include military police, combat engineers and helicopter companies equipped with advanced technology to help detect people at night." Not useless.

Yes it would be great if they could have spent Thanksgiving at home. Too bad that caravan of thousands of migrants didn't stop and think of that!

These servicemen didn't get drafted for heavens sakes. They signed up for this!! Just like we did. I'm at work right now. In ED triage. (No patients coming in thankfully.)

They didn't sign up to be props in political theater. They signed up with at least some degree of reasonable expectation that some sort of reasoned decision making would be utilized when deciding when and where they would be deployed.

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They didn't sign up to be props in political theater. They signed up with at least some degree of reasonable expectation that some sort of reasoned decision making would be utilized when deciding when and where they would be deployed.

So you call our troops being in Afghanistan since Oct 7, 2001 a "reasonable expectation," but some troops sent to patrol the border props of politics. And the latter is your opinion. Dude! I have a legit question. Do you think these in the caravan should just be allowed to flock over without proper paperwork?!? Seriously. Yes or no.

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So you call our troops being in Afghanistan since Oct 7, 2001 a "reasonable expectation," but some troops sent to patrol the border props of politics. And the latter is your opinion. Dude! I have a legit question. Do you think these in the caravan should just be allowed to flock over without proper paperwork?!? Seriously. Yes or no.

There isn't historical precedent or contemporary observation that there is imminent danger from these people. Can you provide some credible sources which justify sending our military to the border?

There is no expectation that the caravan members will simply "flock over", there is opinion and fear mongering around that subject (as we are regularly reminded). What happened in the recent past when caravans have arrived at our border?

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So you call our troops being in Afghanistan since Oct 7, 2001 a "reasonable expectation," but some troops sent to patrol the border props of politics. And the latter is your opinion. Dude! I have a legit question. Do you think these in the caravan should just be allowed to flock over without proper paperwork?!? Seriously. Yes or no.

I'm not sure where you're getting that I would think that anyone "should just be allowed to flock over without proper paperwork"? Are you under the impression that without deploying the military to the border, that's what happens?

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There isn't historical precedent or contemporary observation that there is imminent danger from these people. Can you provide some credible sources which justify sending our military to the border?

There is no expectation that the caravan members will simply "flock over", there is opinion and fear mongering around that subject (as we are regularly reminded). What happened in the recent past when caravans have arrived at our border?

You make no point here. First you say there's no "historical precedent." Then you say "what happened in the recent past when caravans have arrived?"

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Washington Post "The Multilayered Uselessness of Sending US Troops to the Border Right Now"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/31/multi-layered-uselessness-sending-troops-border-right-now/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4a6da37a9b6b

Sending troops to block caravan at Mexico border is waste, fraud and abuse

Oregon's Governor Kate Brown tweeted:

If @realDonaldTrump asks me to deploy Oregon Guard troops to the Mexico border, I'll say no. As Commander of Oregon's Guard, I'm deeply troubled by Trump's plan to militarize our border.

Nancy Pelosi tweeted "Donald Trump is using every cynical political trick in the book to ignite anti-immigrant fervor. Needlessly militarizing our southern border won't make Americans more safe - it's just another political calculation."

lol just a few

It's a complete freak-out. If one can't understand the President wanting to reign in thousands of folks just marching across the border to make their home here, I question your sanity. They can come LEGALLY LIKE MY OWN HUSBAND DID. We forked out OUR OWN MONEY for him to become a citizen. Lots of time. Lots of waiting. Lots of money. He was BROKE as all get out. Got a work permit. Got a job. Paid for it HIMSELF. SO CAN THEY. Insert smiling sarcastic face RIGHT HERE.

Those sound like reasonable objections rather than "a complete freak out" and none of those sources state "CRUEL AND YOU ARE AN EVIL MONSTER. STOP THIS NOW!!!!"

But point taken, that there are objections to the massive deployment. I would argue that perhaps deploying thousands of troops to the border is someone of a freak out.

Also, as I've stated ad nauseam on this and other threads I personally don't want masses of people to just walk across the border and come right in. None of the people you quoted above said "oh leave them alone, just let them all walk right on in". That's right wing rhetoric.

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