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You are reading page 5 of Thank you Planned Parenthood!. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

No, what's sad is that forced pregnancy advocates feel it's appropriate to intrude into a thread about the good done for individual posters by Planned Parenthood.

Well, if you believe it's good for an unborn human baby to be killed, that's part of the sad state of America. If you call evil, good... very sad.

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Luckily, neither your opinions nor your feelings have any sort of bearing on my decisions. Your intrusion on this thread is pretty much a non sequitur.

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Well, if you believe it's good for an unborn human baby to be killed, that's part of the sad state of America. If you call evil, good... very sad.

Just for the sake of argument, I would like you to think about a different point of view. My religion (not a fringe religion, by the way) does not teach that human life begins at conception. In my belief system, the soul of a human child does not enter the body until the moment of quickening. That means that for the first 5 months or so, we are not dealing with a human person but with a clump of cells with the potential to grow into a human person. Under my belief system, there is no evil involved in a first term abortion.

Now, you certainly have the right to believe as you do, and I have the right to believe as I do. That is what it is to live in a pluralistic society. If you do not want to have an abortion, I will never argue that you should have one. All I want for my niece and the daughters of my friends is that they remain able to make their own private, intimate healthcare decisions without interference by those who do not share their beliefs. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Oh, and I would also like for them to continue to have access to birth control to minimize the risk that they will be forced to make very difficult decisions. Also pap smears and breast exams. That would also be nice to have, IMHO.

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Just for the sake of argument, I would like you to think about a different point of view. My religion (not a fringe religion, by the way) does not teach that human life begins at conception. In my belief system, the soul of a human child does not enter the body until the moment of quickening. That means that for the first 5 months or so, we are not dealing with a human person but with a clump of cells with the potential to grow into a human person. Under my belief system, there is no evil involved in a first term abortion.

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I'm not stepping into the argument per se but interestingly enough I'm re-reading a book I've probably read 5 other times. Baby ER by Edward Humes.

It was written in 2004 so I'm sure the medical technology has increased since then but it is a book about babies born either too early or with birth defects or with birth injuries and who end up in the NICU. From the book jacket:

"Tells the story of wonder and hope that lies at medicine's cutting edge, where extraordinary healers and extraordinary patients come together to make miracles in an place where lives are held, literally, in the palms of doctors' hands. For the parents of sick and premature babies, some weighing less than a pound and no bigger than a can of cola, the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit, the "Baby ER", is their one bastion of hope during the most terrifying moments of their lives, when their children's very survival hangs in the balance."

From my reading, the earliest premie was 21 weeks, 5 days gestation. Just a bit over 5 months.

As an L&D nurse who sometimes had to care for premies while waiting for the rock star NICU nurses to get to our small rural hospital by plane, I know they aren't just "clump of cells". I've also seen stillborn babies quite a bit earlier and no, not a clump of cells either.

As to Planned Parenthood, I got my BCP's and yearly exam there when I was in college (back in the late 1970's). I was a poor student with no health insurance and yes, they came in handy.

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Just for the sake of argument, I would like you to think about a different point of view. My religion (not a fringe religion, by the way) does not teach that human life begins at conception.

I'm glad medical science shows human life begins at conception.

Planned Parenthood Called 911 After a Botched Abortion and Then Made a Shocking Request | LifeNews.com => the largest abortion mill in the United States of America is not only unsafe, but takes human life. And the CEO of said abortion mill tested that Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms.

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Science shows no such thing.

Yanno, for a self-described libertarian, you expend a whole lot of energy trying to dictate other people's religious beliefs and reproductive choices.

I just read up a bit about the libertarian party platform ... apparently the obsession to force women to have children they don't want has spread there, too. So I guess we dshouldn't be surprised at your intrusions.

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It appears you are in denial, Heron.

Why Life Begins at Conception | NAAPC

When Does Life Begin | Just The Facts

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

You seem to think that taking the life of a human being is ok; and the opposite of taking that life is forced birth rather than such as thing as being a responsible human being.

Ypu seem to think it's perfectly ok to force your personal moral ideas on others, dictating how they should shape their lives while blocking any hint of help or support that they may need if they sctually take your advice.

If you were truly concerned with reducing the number of abortions, for whatever reason, you'd be pushing for increased funding for providers like PP, free birth control and fact-based sex ed at the very least.

This sanctimonious pretense that you care even one whit about the sanctity of life is a Big Lie to cover up the fact that your real goal is control of the conscience, mind, body and sexuality of women everywhere. Forced pregnancy groups use lies, sadistic fantasy, false advertising, phony science, gross violations of privacy, harassment, intimidation, bombs and murder to achieve that control. Libertarian, my foot.

ETA: just to be clear, I draw a line between "forced pregnancy movement" and "pro-life" movement. I'm sure there are those who are truly pro-life in that they try to find or provide options and support for women who choose to continue an accidental pregnancy, without coercion, threats or intimidation. If they're out there, I suspect they're too busy to indulge in the kind of invasive, self-indulgent terrorism I've described above.

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So I guess you view laws against killing a person as being forcing morals? If you go to jail for robbing someone, I guess your defense would be morals cannot be forced on anyone?

You come across as if you didn't read my original reply at https://allnurses-breakroom.com/ethics-philosophy-religion/thank-you-planned-1051129-page4.html#post9070472

1. We adopted two special needs teenagers; now adults.

2. While not in the opening post, we donate to a local pregnancy center that helps teens and adults.

3. Based on their own annual reports, 94 out of every 100 women go into Planned Parenthood for an abortion. Pro-lifers typically do not donate to abortion mills; that's counter productive. Especially when the CEO is a 1%er living in a gated community.

4. Fact based education includes abstinence provides 100% STD protection and 100% birth control protection.

5. The fact life begins at conception is not phony science. It's medical science.

You assume much in your replies. I'm sorry you are so angry over the issue of wanting every unborn baby to have the opportunity to be born; after all, you were allowed to be born and every single person fighting to kill unborn babies (often like the OP out of pure convenience) was born.

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I'm glad medical science shows human life begins at conception.

Planned Parenthood Called 911 After a Botched Abortion and Then Made a Shocking Request | LifeNews.com => the largest abortion mill in the United States of America is not only unsafe, but takes human life. And the CEO of said abortion mill tested that Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms.

Um, what do you call a blastocyst that fails to implant? Or a non-viable zygote that miscarries so early that the woman carrying it doesn't even know it's there? I call both of those clumps of cells.

You are never going to convince a person of my religious background that life begins at conception. It's a fool's errand. Why expend the energy?

Planned Parenthood does not do mammograms and has never claimed to do mammograms. Young woman do not need mammograms for screening. They only need manual breast exams. If a manual breast exam shows something suspicious, they are referred out for a diagnostic (not screening) mammogram.

Facts. I love them. They are much more reliable than propaganda.

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So I guess you view laws against killing a person as being forcing morals? If you go to jail for robbing someone, I guess your defense would be morals cannot be forced on anyone?

You come across as if you didn't read my original reply at https://allnurses-breakroom.com/ethics-philosophy-religion/thank-you-planned-1051129-page4.html#post9070472

1. We adopted two special needs teenagers; now adults.

2. While not in the opening post, we donate to a local pregnancy center that helps teens and adults.

3. Based on their own annual reports, 94 out of every 100 women go into Planned Parenthood for an abortion. Pro-lifers typically do not donate to abortion mills; that's counter productive. Especially when the CEO is a 1%er living in a gated community.

4. Fact based education includes abstinence provides 100% STD protection and 100% birth control protection.

5. The fact life begins at conception is not phony science. It's medical science.

You assume much in your replies. I'm sorry you are so angry over the issue of wanting every unborn baby to have the opportunity to be born; after all, you were allowed to be born and every single person fighting to kill unborn babies (often like the OP out of pure convenience) was born.

I did read your original reply. What you're not getting is that your moral views on abortion are irrelevant to anyone but yourself. Your insistence on hijacking this thread is intrusive.

Adopting disabled kids doesn't change the fact that you are a liar, as evidenced by your own deliberate falsehood regarding the reasons women use PPs services.

Abstinence only sex-miseducation is associated with higher teen pregnancy rates. It has nothing to do with actually decreasing abortion or anything else except kids' knowledge base, so you're lying about that, too.

All of the above being moot, since other people's abortions are simply none of your business. Your obsession with other people's sex lives and reproductive decisions is downright creepy.

ETA: you are partially right about one thing: I am angry ... but not for the reasons you list. Which are a joke because you don't give a flying tinker's curse about life and I suspect you know that.

I'm angry at the self-righteous terrorism of the forced pregnancy movement. I'll leave to better people than I to be polite about it. For me, the gloves are off.

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You are never going to convince a person of my religious background that life begins at conception.

It's not about religion; it's scientific fact.

Planned Parenthood does not do mammograms and has never claimed to do mammograms.

Correct on the first part; incorrect on the second.

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