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No, that was a general statement. It was not to you, specifically. I just think that if a person went out into the community and asked 100 people-- what is mental illness? How do you know when someone has a mental illness?, then that person probably would get some answers that are not even close to what mental illness truly is and is defined as. Also, just because a person has a (meaning one) personality quirk, does not mean they are mentally ill--mental illness usually constitutes having multiple (like 5 or more traits/behaviors) abnormal/maladaptive traits simultaneously.

What I meant is, the concept of mental illness and what it truly is (and is not) is getting very cloudy...we use the term mental illness very liberally, when there is actually very clear (or there was prior to the sorry excuse for a DSM that is coming out) criteria for mental illness and it's not a term to just throw around.

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Then we completely agree! I agree that people can meet 1 or 2 out of multiple criteria for a disorder and not have a mental illness. Terms do get thrown around unnecessarily, & people are sometimes over/mis-diagnosed.

I think it's because most people don't have the educational advantage that we obtained in nursing school or from other educational/life experiences.

Have you had a lot of experience with this recently?

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Not me personally, as I have already been diagnosed with a mental illness; however, I find that if I "rightly" get upset or mad, people jump the gun to saying it's because I have mental illness. I am a person and I have emotions--just because I get upset or whatever, it's not always me having a mental illness. I feel like other non-mentally ill people are allowed to have their moments of being upset and it's because "they are human." It seems like it's a double standard.

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Not me personally, as I have already been diagnosed with a mental illness; however, I find that if I "rightly" get upset or mad, people jump the gun to saying it's because I have mental illness. I am a person and I have emotions--just because I get upset or whatever, it's not always me having a mental illness. I feel like other non-mentally ill people are allowed to have their moments of being upset and it's because "they are human." It seems like it's a double standard.

I think that's one of the biggest annoyances of having a mental illness....we just are not allowed to have a normal bad day. If we do, it's either because we have the illness, or because we're using the illness as a cop-out. We can't win! :mad:

Even my family gets into the act occasionally, and it disappoints me every time. About the time I think we've evolved to the point where they understand that sometimes I'm just a *bleep* behaving badly, somebody blows it and says something along the lines of "Hey, I thought you were taking meds to PREVENT this stuff" Or, "A-HA, I was right, you are hypomanic!!" ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!

OTOH, when I'm in the middle of a proper mood episode, to be told to "get your :poop: together, stop being so selfish and think about somebody ELSE for a change" is crushing. Granted, we've all known about my little non-conformity for a year now and it's taken some time for everyone to adjust to it (DUH, what do they think I've been doing, playing a bipolar on TV? Really??!) but come on....It's not like this is any funhouse for me, either. If I don't understand what's going on in my head, who else can?

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Same way you take away gun rights from law abiding citizens.

If someone has no history of being homicidal, & they do not acknowledge being homicidal, how can you force them to do anything? I can't even legally force my TB patients to swallow their meds, & they are undoubtedly a threat to those around them. Witch hunt...

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There is no question that we can improve our care of people with mental illness in this country.

Demonizing the victim is not going to help...

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I feel that all of us that have been diagnosed with mental illness are letting ourselves be placed in the same group as the "mad men". We are professional people; factory workers; executives; family members; heads of households; etc. but we will not stand up for ourselves. I see commericals and shows often personalizing people that have been diagnosed with breast cancer, diabetes, etc. that fight/control their illnesses and go on to live normal happy lives. These people are shown in a very positive light. Are there cancer survivors that murder and steal? yes. Do our jails contain diabetics? yes. Yet we are the ones that get all the negative publicity. I would love to participate in a mental illness walk or wear a t-shirt that says "I'm a Survivor of a Brain Disorder" and get the same respect as a cancer victum. Instead I lose my second ammendment rights and have to worry if I would be employable in another job.

Fuzzy

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Maybe there should be a distinction between someone with a mental disorder and someone that is just plain evil. I would guess that most mentally ill people that have violent tendencies are already known to others, family, law enforcement, or medical community. These idiot mass killers are often cunning, intelligent, evil people. Think about serial killers. They are able to get away with it for so long because they are described as "normal" be their neighbors. They don't run through the neighborhood naked drooling on themselves. Why do we as a society want to put a medical label on everyone that is not what we consider "normal?"

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Fuzzy, that is one of the reasons that I am very open and vocal (now) about having mental illness and being able to be licensed as a nurse (hopefully, I will get a nursing job...but, I think that will happen eventually). I am hoping to be able to get into grad school, as well. I working towards bettering my own life, but also letting people know along the way that "yes, people with mental illness can go on to be productive members of society." I also am working on being more aware of how I act and how I come across because I don't want to be perceived as a stereotypical mentally ill person that society thinks of when describing mentally ill people. I want to be person that changes other peoples' perception of the mental ill.

And yes, I think we do have divide evilness and mental illness.

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The court lists 25 people a danger to themselves or others. Now if they want to kill themselves, I don't have a problem with that. What I have a serious problem is when they want to kill people other than themselves.

 

In honesty I am in favor of removing mentally unstable people who pose a danger to others off our streets.

 

What do they plan to do?

 

Hunt them down and sequester them in an institution until they begin to comply with their court ordered meds.?

 

What is to stop them from from going off those meds and killing someone?

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I didn't understand how they can legally do that...I mean, people with mental illness still have rights--they can refuse treatment. Unless I missed it, they didn't threaten anyone or say they are suicidal...they are not doing anything to anyone. We are going backwards in this mental illness treatment.

So we let individuals who pose a viable threat against other citizens walk the streets?

The report said "danger to others" as well as being suicidal. Have some medical professionals evaluate them and then figure out how much of a threat some of these people may be. Then figure out how to stop them from pushing bystanders off of the train platform.

Mental Illness is not an excuse for murder.

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