Jump to content
KonichiwaRN KonichiwaRN (Member) Nurse

Seriously flawed thinking.

Politics   (1,710 Views 122 Comments)
110 Visitors; 185 Posts
If you find this topic helpful leave a comment.
advertisement

You are reading page 2 of Seriously flawed thinking.. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

What are you referring to by people being told they "make too much money".  Are you referring to paying taxes?  

What are the "freebies and handouts" you keep referring to?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, MunoRN said:

What are you referring to by people being told they "make too much money".  Are you referring to paying taxes?  

What are the "freebies and handouts" you keep referring to?

Yes.  It is a common for conservatives to think that liberals think rich people make too much money and want to take it from them in the form of taxes.

"Freebies and handouts" is a catch all phrase (during the Obama years they used to talk about all people want is "free stuff" like "Obamaphones and Obamabucks".  This refers basically to social welfare programs that include housing, food and welfare checks.  The idea is you foster dependency, lack of initiative, and people don't want to work because they can get stuff for free.  It's the hold "give a man a fish and he has a free meal, but teach him to fish and he has meals for life" kind of idea.  Don't give that man the fish i.e. "freebies and handouts".

 

Edited by Tweety

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Yes.  It is a common for conservatives to think that liberals think rich people make too much money and want to take it from them in the form of taxes.

"Freebies and handouts" is a catch all phrase (during the Obama years they used to talk about all people want is "free stuff" like "Obamaphones and Obamabucks".  This refers basically to social welfare programs that include housing, food and welfare checks.  The idea is you foster dependency, lack of initiative, and people don't want to work because they can get stuff for free.  It's the hold "give a man a fish and he has a free meal, but teach him to fish and he has meals for life" kind of idea.  Don't give that man the fish i.e. "freebies and handouts".

 

Taxes that benefit all of society.

I know, such a terrible thing for the government to fund scientific and medical research.

Horrible thing, that national highway system, that allows people and commerce, in the for of saleable goods, to move about the country.

Horrors, just horrors, that tax money would go to fund public schools, and colleges and universities.

It is so much easier to control an uneducated, and undereducated populous.

I have no patience for people who complain about taxes.

Discussions over how tax monies are spent are worthwhile.

But debating the usefulness of taxes, and folks arguing against paying their fair share just glazes my eyes over.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Yes.  It is a common for conservatives to think that liberals think rich people make too much money and want to take it from them in the form of taxes.

"Freebies and handouts" is a catch all phrase (during the Obama years they used to talk about all people want is "free stuff" like "Obamaphones and Obamabucks".  This refers basically to social welfare programs that include housing, food and welfare checks.  The idea is you foster dependency, lack of initiative, and people don't want to work because they can get stuff for free.  It's the hold "give a man a fish and he has a free meal, but teach him to fish and he has meals for life" kind of idea.  Don't give that man the fish i.e. "freebies and handouts".

 

I would LOVE to be independently wealthy, and spend my days around horses.

But I clearly remember being unemployed, and receiving unemployment benefits for over six months during the Great Recession if 2008.

The first week of not working and getting a small check was great.

After that, it was horrible.

Work gives most of a structure in life.

It gives us some sense of meaning and worth.

Without work, I had no structure, and I became depressed.

The folks who espouse the line of thinking you wrote about, are either independently wealthy, or have never been part of the long-term unemployed.

It is dreadful.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On the subject of freebies and handouts:

My first job as a NP was in a community health center in a very poor urban area.  Health care was free to those who did not have insurance or were underinsured. Medications cost either $1 or $2.  Vouchers were available for the bus if people could not afford the fare.  .Once in a while we would give grocery store gift cards to those who could not afford food

The overwhelming majority of our patients worked.  They were part of the large, but often ignored segment of the population known as the working poor.  These were not people lying around while taking handouts.  The cost of housing, food, childcare, etc. took every cent they had.  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

On the subject of freebies and handouts:

My first job as a NP was in a community health center in a very poor urban area.  Health care was free to those who did not have insurance or were underinsured. Medications cost either $1 or $2.  Vouchers were available for the bus if people could not afford the fare.  .Once in a while we would give grocery store gift cards to those who could not afford food

The overwhelming majority of our patients worked.  They were part of the large, but often ignored segment of the population known as the working poor.  These were not people lying around while taking handouts.  The cost of housing, food, childcare, etc. took every cent they had.  

 

My niece when her kids were little received help with formula and other food.  I think it's called WIC?  Anyway her husband was in the US Army.  It's a sad state of affairs when working people are considered poor enough to get assistance, but like you said their everyday expenses took every cent they had and the assistance kept their children healthy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
advertisement

I and my family have gotten some freebies: my sister qualified for section 8 housing when she was younger, I got Medicaid when my eldest was born because of an emergency c section. Later I got a Pell Grant when I went to nursing school. And we all have paid it back in taxes many times over.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

I and my family have gotten some freebies: my sister qualified for section 8 housing when she was younger, I got Medicaid when my eldest was born because of an emergency c section. Later I got a Pell Grant when I went to nursing school. And we all have paid it back in taxes many times over.

I would suggest you and your family enjoyed the benefits of living in a civilized society, that seeks to lift ALL boats, and not just some boats, and sees the value in not letting people simply seek or swim.

Humans are pack animals, and we live in groups because we have realized there is a benefit to doing so.

Your examples, highlighted the benefits.

Health care is a basic human right.

Education benefits the individual and society.

Housing is a basic human right.

No "freebies" listed, nursej.

Just the basics of living in a civilized society.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Excellent piece in today's NY Times, detailing the fall-out from the UK's austerity measures.

The effects have ruined a sense of community and belonging for the elderly, impacted healthcare and driven young people away.

From today's NY Times:

'This Is All We Can Afford': Shrinking Lives In The English Countryside

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/11/2019 at 7:41 PM, BCgradnurse said:

On the subject of freebies and handouts:

My first job as a NP was in a community health center in a very poor urban area.  Health care was free to those who did not have insurance or were underinsured. Medications cost either $1 or $2.  Vouchers were available for the bus if people could not afford the fare.  .Once in a while we would give grocery store gift cards to those who could not afford food

The overwhelming majority of our patients worked.  They were part of the large, but often ignored segment of the population known as the working poor.  These were not people lying around while taking handouts.  The cost of housing, food, childcare, etc. took every cent they had.  

 

I also worked for a large community health network. Our clients were largely working poor and a sizeable number of those were migrant agricultural workers. Because my specialty was peds, I interacted with every poor child and family in my small rural community as well as a number from neighboring counties. The health professionals and team members were committed to assisting these folks in so many ways. Food assistance is/was a huge thing.

Transportation for rural poor is a terrible burden. Vehicle maintenance is expensive and not always predictable. Inability to pay fees and fines for insurance and registration difficulties can land poor people in jail in some areas, although that is unconstitutional as all get out. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"A majority of people support Democratic proposals to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, according to a poll conducted this month for The New York Times by the online research platform SurveyMonkey, though their opinions vary between specific plans. Voters overwhelmingly see income inequality as a problem the government should be trying to address. Support for taxing the rich cuts across party lines: A majority of Republicans support a proposal from Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, a Democratic presidential candidate, to tax a group of the wealthiest Americans on their net worth (NY times, 2019)."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/business/economy/wealth-tax-elizabeth-warren.html

 

Yup. No wrong doings here. Just blatant people deciding that other citizens have "too much money."

 

You guys were looking for the evidence? Right? Now let's spin! 🙂

Edited by KonichiwaRN

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, KonichiwaRN said:

"A majority of people support Democratic proposals to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, according to a poll conducted this month for The New York Times by the online research platform SurveyMonkey, though their opinions vary between specific plans. Voters overwhelmingly see income inequality as a problem the government should be trying to address. Support for taxing the rich cuts across party lines: A majority of Republicans support a proposal from Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, a Democratic presidential candidate, to tax a group of the wealthiest Americans on their net worth (NY times, 2019)."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/business/economy/wealth-tax-elizabeth-warren.html

 

Yup. No wrong doings here. Just blatant people deciding that other citizens have "too much money."

 

You guys were looking for the evidence? Right? Now let's spin! 🙂

No need to spin.

Most people understand how society suffers as a result of income inequality.

And no gated community will save you from the ravages of income inequality.

Look at South Africa.

It has the greatest income inequality in the world.

Now, contrast crime levels in SA, with those countries, who have little income inequality.

Contrast health outcomes.

Tell us what you find.

No need to spin. That would imply I care about persuading you to another point of view.

I don't.

I vote.

Edited by Lil Nel

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
×