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I haven't scanned every news/media source out there, but I do know that no-one on this thread is blaming Palin.

:igtsyt: Although that "it's not a bullseye, it's a surveyor's mark" thing is just too, too disingenuous.:rolleyes:

I do not support either knee-jerk gun control or censorship ... but if words mean things, then we should take responsibility for what comes out of our mouths (or keyboards).

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I don't believe Sarah Palin caused this incident in AZ.

She did use the term bullseye on twitter to describe targeting 20 Democrats - Palin Tweet:

Remember months ago "bullseye" icon used 2 target the 20 Obamacare-lovin' incumbent seats? We won 18 out of 20 (90% success rate;T'aint bad)

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It's a chain of events that only seem to be connected, IMHO>

would you clarify that, please?

are you saying that these "chain of events" are or are not, connected?

i've argued against the vitriol of politics for a long, long time.

now, it seems, that much of the media, commentators, etc...are now saying that the hate and anger, needs to stop.

(duh!!!...yes, i find it immensely frustrating that it takes a tragedy to arrive at this conclusion.)

whether this "chain of events" is actually connected or not, palin's comments/acts were enough to rile up many americans...

and her very persistent and vocal disdain for obama/liberals, is what has fueled many of our reactions.

the only way we'll see if palin et al, are indeed remorseful, will be evidenced by a more muted and measured demeanor, when debating their talking points.

we can only wait and see, how 'we' rally onward.

it really and truly sucks, that it had to come to this, before most would even consider contemptuous attacks as potentially detrimental.

a civilized society, we are not.

sad state of affairs, indeed.

leslie

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I am more and more of the belief that I probably won't be able to control other people's thought, beliefs or actions, but I can control my own reaction to whatever it is about them that I don't care for.

I actually can agree with this.

For me it's not a desire to control.......just an expectation and a pipe dream I suppose. My reaction is very important and all I can control, be it anger, appealing to decency, or just complancy and helplessness. Or simplly choosing my battles. :)

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How can a bunch of TV talking heads whose only purpose in life is to get good ratings accuse another person of exploitation in this situation?

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From shortly after hearing Sheriff Dupnik politicize this issue by trying to link it to conservatives, I've been cautioning that we wait and not pre-judge the motives of the shooter.

I was shocked at the sheriff's comments as I had not even expected anything like it.

Even he has admitted in interviews since that there is no evidence at all that links the alleged shooter to conservatives.

I was out seeing patients all day and on the way home heard a report on NPR where someone mentioned Obama cautioning the nation not to jump to conclusions about the Fort Hood shootings. I expected the same consideration in this instance.

I posted two opinion pieces on my FB wall on Saturday - one from a moderate site cautioning everyone not to jump to conclusions and one from the liberal LA times doing the same and giving examples of "hateful" speech from liberals and conservatives.

Tonight we watched Katie Couric . . with some trepidation . . but CBS did a fair story on this issue and brought up examples from both sides and from history . . . all the way back to the beginning of our country.

Sheriff Dupnik is being disingenuous when he says it didn't used to be this way - the CBS story showed the anger from the 1960's and how the left had vitriolic rhetoric and used violence. Before I even saw that story I thought to myself . . wait . .what about the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King?

Glenn Reynolds: The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel - WSJ.com

The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel

Those who purport to care about the tenor of political discourse don't help civil debate when they seize on any pretext to call their political opponents accomplices to murder.

steph

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Oh and Facebook is going crazy with folks putting up anti-Palin accounts.

I'm not judging who did this . . . whoever did it is wrong.

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"I hate it when I wake up and Sarah Palin is still alive".

Many of my friends have asked us to report this page. Which I have.

steph

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i don't believe sarah palin caused this incident in az.

she did use the term bullseye on twitter to describe targeting 20 democrats - palin tweet:

and the democrats used a bullseye.

'we don't have proof yet' - wsj.com

. . ."the list was illustrated by a map showing cross hairs--they looked like gun sights, although a palin spokeswoman has said they were actually surveyor's symbols--in the approximate geographic locations of the representatives' districts. at the time, the left cried bloody murder, claiming that palin was inciting violence against members of congress."

"again, this was pure left-wing fantasy. as blogger john sexton noted contemporaneously, the democratic leadership committee and the democratic national campaign committee had both earlier produced similar maps, albeit using bull's-eyes instead of cross hairs. the dccc map "targeted" specific congressmen and, unlike palin's map, included their photographs. . . ."

. ."neither palin's map nor the democrats' maps were an incitement to violence. they employed an ordinary visual metaphor as part of a political campaign. (the word "campaign" is itself a martial metaphor.) no evidence has emerged that jared loughner even knows who sarah palin is, much less that he construed the map as a command to commit murder."

"that said, it seems to us there is a very strong case to be made that the ugliest political rhetoric of the past 48 hours has been that coming from the side whose leading voices are attempting to make sense of a senseless crime by blaming their opponents for it.

or perhaps we should say from the side that is attempting to exploit the crime in this manner. politico quotes an unnamed "veteran democratic operative" who offers this advice to the white house:

"they need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers," said the democrat. "just like the clinton white house deftly pinned the oklahoma city bombing on the militia and anti-government people."

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From shortly after hearing Sheriff Dupnik politicize this issue by trying to link it to conservatives, I've been cautioning that we wait and not pre-judge the motives of the shooter.

I was shocked at the sheriff's comments as I had not even expected anything like it.

Even he has admitted in interviews since that there is no evidence at all that links the alleged shooter to conservatives.

I was out seeing patients all day and on the way home heard a report on NPR where someone mentioned Obama cautioning the nation not to jump to conclusions about the Fort Hood shootings. I expected the same consideration in this instance.

I posted two opinion pieces on my FB wall on Saturday - one from a moderate site cautioning everyone not to jump to conclusions and one from the liberal LA times doing the same and giving examples of "hateful" speech from liberals and conservatives.

Tonight we watched Katie Couric . . with some trepidation . . but CBS did a fair story on this issue and brought up examples from both sides and from history . . . all the way back to the beginning of our country.

Sheriff Dupnik is being disingenuous when he says it didn't used to be this way - the CBS story showed the anger from the 1960's and how the left had vitriolic rhetoric and used violence. Before I even saw that story I thought to myself . . wait . .what about the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King?

Glenn Reynolds: The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel - WSJ.com

The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel

Those who purport to care about the tenor of political discourse don't help civil debate when they seize on any pretext to call their political opponents accomplices to murder.

steph

Steph, like I said above moderate liberal and mainstream media is doing a good job at staying neutral and balanced. The radical liberal press is acting a little stupid right now in my opinion with their demands that Palin apologize, etc. Rush is weighin in, and Beck's show was devoted to it, but I couldn't stomach watching as I flipped through the channels.

And we all know there vitriol and whackjobs on both sides of the political fence....tit for tat can go on all day. But we need to remember this. Answering violence and vitriol with calls of violence and vitriol gets isn't right at all. The anti-Palin picture and statement above is an example of where we are in our country. It may be politically incorrect to try to restict this person's freedom of speech, but I'm with you Steph, it should be reported and asked to not be posted on Facebook.

Still the fact is that it's easy to get a gun in Arizona (or so I hear from a guy on NPR who knows the federal and various state laws about gims) and prejudice and hatred is alive and well there (but what state doesn't have a problem with this), so the sheriff has a point. Whether his comments have any place in the aftermath of this tragedy is debatable.

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Oops! One of my facebook friends found this:

DLC: Heartland Strategy by Will Marshall

I guess the Democrats do know a real target when they see, make that, use one.

Now see . . . . I do not have a problem with this kind of strategy at all. But it is a tad bit hypocritical to criticize Sarah and others for what they do themselves.

"Behind enemy lines" . . . . sounds rather vitriolic, doncha think?

(In reality - no I don't think so. Just so infuriating when we get in trouble for doing something they also do).

steph

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would you clarify that, please?

are you saying that these "chain of events" are or are not, connected?

leslie

I'll try. It's a collection of events that some would like, very much, to be connected.

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